2024 Election Thread

[revo]

Trump was grazed by a bullet at a rally in Pennsylvania today. An attendee was killed, as was the shooter.

[madducks]

I think that a huge part of the Biden cognitive decline denial is that a large part of the voting public is elderly and the feeling among them is that any admission of Biden's cognitive decline is a reflection of their entire generation. I've noticed this among my own family. My older relatives think that Biden is functioning like a perfectly normal person. Whereas my younger relatives are saying that Biden is no longer capable of handling the job and needs to be replaced. It's an age-related issue that seems to be dividing the party.

[madducks]

[madducks]

This should get the attention of the DNC:

Democratic donors plan to withhold around $90 million to a pro-Biden super PAC, Future Forward, the New York Times reported Friday, in the latest fallout resulting from concerns about Biden’s reelection viability.

The pause on contributions — which include multiple eight-figure commitments, the Times’ sources said — follow a disastrous debate performance from the president last month and a growing list of Democratic officials calling for him to step aside.

[madducks]

Both parties should be embarrassed that these are the best candidates that they can give us.

[Teenwolf]

I can't believe this is real life. He had what his team was embarrassingly calling a "big boy press conference", and on the same day, he flubbed Zelensky's introduction, calling him Putin, and later flubbed the big boy PC, referring to "Vice President Trump" without catching himself.

Biden is somehow an even bigger narcissistic piece of shit than I thought. He's hitting all the Trump classics now. Claims that polling still shows he's the best candidate.

Poll dropped yesterday showing 85% of all voters think Biden is too old. It's decided, it's done. It's Joever.

I'm guessing he drops out by around Wednesday, but he seems to be a glutton for punishment.

I heard a comforting rule of public relations, that if anybody claims they refuse to step down from a position due to controversy, after they've denied stepping down 4 times, the die is cast. They're done. Makes sense to me, I can't think of a case that defies the rule.

[madducks]

I guess the "Sleepy Joe" nickname is accurate.

President Joe Biden told Democratic governors during a meeting at the White House on Wednesday that part of his plan going forward is to stop scheduling events after 8 p.m. so that he can get more sleep, according to sources briefed on his comments.

[Sour Masher]

Some levity to break up the horror--Josh Johnson's ability to put out quality content on a daily basis is remarkable. His comedic take on the debate is must watch stuff. It is exactly how I felt and he puts it better than I ever could.

[The Feral Slasher]

The Democratic governors are going to have an intervention, er I mean a meeting with Joe Biden.

Lol, it was a meeting, not an intervention apparently.

[Teenwolf]

Her point wasn't so much about them being legitimate or not as much as that since there seemed to be no viable options given Biden's reluctance to step aside, my chicken little the sky will fall rhetoric served no purpose besides amplifying for others a sentiment that serves the agenda of Trump supporters. My frustration was such that I just needed to vent about it, and, for a long time, I really hoped what was so obvious to me would become clear to the DNC and Biden's team and he could be convinced by friends and family and trusted advisors to do what is best and step aside to allow a robust primary. But that did not happen and I don't know how it will play out now.

I really think anything is possible at this point. Despite the polls, it is possible Biden somehow still wins, if enough voters prefer a severely diminished candidate who they think will have to step down soon or the 25th amendment will be come into play, allowing for at least a capable replacement. It seems unlikely to me right now, but it is possible given just how horrible Trump is. It is also possible that despite his own massive flaws, Trump wins, because he is running against someone so diminished (I believe he is beatable by just about anyone halfway competent at this point, but even so, I think he likely beats current version Biden). And if I want to dream, I can imagine a world where both candidates are replaced by less terrible options. Though that seems unlikely in Biden's case and extremely unlikely in Trump's case, but anything is possible with guys this old.

As for my vote, my feelings about Trump are such that I have to vote against him and for his most viable opponent, even for someone I feel is egregiously unfit for office at this point in Biden. But I'm going to feel sick doing it and and I am disgusted I am in the situation to have to make such a horrible choice. I continue to be angry with the DNC and those close to Biden that decided Biden's name was good enough to run on, even if he is no longer fit for office. I guess I'm angry at voters for allowing this to happen as well, but that has to include myself since my decision to vote against a man who I think will attempt to end our democracy no matter what may be taken as condoning the decision to run a man incapable of doing the job fully and competently.

Your wife has been gaslighting you, lol!

You won't need to sweat over voting for cryptkeeper in chief. His chances of winning before the debate were set at 35% (I think Nate Silver or one of those guys had it 65/35 in Trump's favor). Based on polling after the debate, his chances to win are now close to zero. So they'll give him the boot. He needed a blowout win in the debate, proving he might live through another term, and failed to do either.

[Sour Masher]

When did having legitimate concerns become "parroting right wing talking points"? If the legitimate concerns weren't treated as illegitimate smear jobs, maybe we would have seen this fucking disaster a lot sooner! Maybe the Democrats could have had a proper primary instead of shutting them the fuck down, with Biden losing states to "uncommitted" and hardly a peep from the media about it.

Its this exact attitude, supporting your party's candidate no matter what genocides they commit or dementia they exhibit, that's lead us to this point. It's Blue-Maga, to pretend that your candidate isn't demented when he clearly is.

The 1984 quote, come to life. "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

I think the candidate will be Kamala, and I hate her. But she's signalled that she is less hawkish on Israel, so I feel she could gain a huge wave of support if she becomes the pick. Polling already shows Kamala beating Trump (where Biden loses by 9). Not sure she can galvanize folks. She's horribly whiny and unlikable with a dogshit prosecutorial record, but nobody would care. Any hit from racists is blunted by Trumps presence on the ballot, and she's got big upside with minorities and young voters.

A woman on the ballot when reproductive rights are the central campaign issue? No brainer! I hope for Whitmer, but I really don't care.

Her point wasn't so much about them being legitimate or not as much as that since there seemed to be no viable options given Biden's reluctance to step aside, my chicken little the sky will fall rhetoric served no purpose besides amplifying for others a sentiment that serves the agenda of Trump supporters. My frustration was such that I just needed to vent about it, and, for a long time, I really hoped what was so obvious to me would become clear to the DNC and Biden's team and he could be convinced by friends and family and trusted advisors to do what is best and step aside to allow a robust primary. But that did not happen and I don't know how it will play out now.

I really think anything is possible at this point. Despite the polls, it is possible Biden somehow still wins, if enough voters prefer a severely diminished candidate who they think will have to step down soon or the 25th amendment will be come into play, allowing for at least a capable replacement. It seems unlikely to me right now, but it is possible given just how horrible Trump is. It is also possible that despite his own massive flaws, Trump wins, because he is running against someone so diminished (I believe he is beatable by just about anyone halfway competent at this point, but even so, I think he likely beats current version Biden). And if I want to dream, I can imagine a world where both candidates are replaced by less terrible options. Though that seems unlikely in Biden's case and extremely unlikely in Trump's case, but anything is possible with guys this old.

As for my vote, my feelings about Trump are such that I have to vote against him and for his most viable opponent, even for someone I feel is egregiously unfit for office at this point in Biden. But I'm going to feel sick doing it and and I am disgusted I am in the situation to have to make such a horrible choice. I continue to be angry with the DNC and those close to Biden that decided Biden's name was good enough to run on, even if he is no longer fit for office. I guess I'm angry at voters for allowing this to happen as well, but that has to include myself since my decision to vote against a man who I think will attempt to end our democracy no matter what may be taken as condoning the decision to run a man incapable of doing the job fully and competently.

[Teenwolf]

I've been good-naturedly arguing about this all night with my wife. I've been saying this was coming for most of Biden's term and she would get annoyed, suggesting I was parroting right-wing talking points. I am surprised by how annoyed I am at all these pundits who downplayed or outright ignored this concern are now suddenly realizing what has been obvious for a long time and now now freaking out. It is the same feeling I had when not enough people were talking about what was so obvious years before Jan 6th with Trump and his hardcore followers.

I have no idea what will happen at this point. Biden's people have irresponsibly propped him up, hyping him to the point where he seems cluelessly committed to continue despite his obviously ever-diminishing capacity. If he does, he likely loses. If he doesn't, Harris seems the most likely back up plan and I don't think she wins either, although I think her chances at this point have to be higher than Biden. My wife disagrees. She thinks there are too many racial and gender biases working against Harris (I think her deficits are more substantive) and that Biden, despite how diminished he is, and despite the polls saying otherwise, still has the best chance, because her opinion is that low of the American voter. She thinks most are somehow still oblivious to this trainwreck and will vote the letter of the party not the person, so even that utter debacle doesn't change much. I just don't see how anyone who cares enough to be a voter could be oblivious to that debacle. I'm inclined to believe the scope of how bad it was will ripple out so far that even the most distantly engaged voters will hear about it and be influenced by it. But I don't know if that is wishful thinking about the state of the American voting public.

When did having legitimate concerns become "parroting right wing talking points"? If the legitimate concerns weren't treated as illegitimate smear jobs, maybe we would have seen this fucking disaster a lot sooner! Maybe the Democrats could have had a proper primary instead of shutting them the fuck down, with Biden losing states to "uncommitted" and hardly a peep from the media about it.

Its this exact attitude, supporting your party's candidate no matter what genocides they commit or dementia they exhibit, that's lead us to this point. It's Blue-Maga, to pretend that your candidate isn't demented when he clearly is.

The 1984 quote, come to life. "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

I think the candidate will be Kamala, and I hate her. But she's signalled that she is less hawkish on Israel, so I feel she could gain a huge wave of support if she becomes the pick. Polling already shows Kamala beating Trump (where Biden loses by 9). Not sure she can galvanize folks. She's horribly whiny and unlikable with a dogshit prosecutorial record, but nobody would care. Any hit from racists is blunted by Trumps presence on the ballot, and she's got big upside with minorities and young voters.

A woman on the ballot when reproductive rights are the central campaign issue? No brainer! I hope for Whitmer, but I really don't care.

[Sour Masher]

I've been good-naturedly arguing about this all night with my wife. I've been saying this was coming for most of Biden's term and she would get annoyed, suggesting I was parroting right-wing talking points. I am surprised by how annoyed I am at all these pundits who downplayed or outright ignored this concern are now suddenly realizing what has been obvious for a long time and now now freaking out. It is the same feeling I had when not enough people were talking about what was so obvious years before Jan 6th with Trump and his hardcore followers.

I have no idea what will happen at this point. Biden's people have irresponsibly propped him up, hyping him to the point where he seems cluelessly committed to continue despite his obviously ever-diminishing capacity. If he does, he likely loses. If he doesn't, Harris seems the most likely back up plan and I don't think she wins either, although I think her chances at this point have to be higher than Biden. My wife disagrees. She thinks there are too many racial and gender biases working against Harris (I think her deficits are more substantive) and that Biden, despite how diminished he is, and despite the polls saying otherwise, still has the best chance, because her opinion is that low of the American voter. She thinks most are somehow still oblivious to this trainwreck and will vote the letter of the party not the person, so even that utter debacle doesn't change much. I just don't see how anyone who cares enough to be a voter could be oblivious to that debacle. I'm inclined to believe the scope of how bad it was will ripple out so far that even the most distantly engaged voters will hear about it and be influenced by it. But I don't know if that is wishful thinking about the state of the American voting public.

[madducks]

The Democratic governors are going to have an intervention, er I mean a meeting with Joe Biden.

[heyelander]

This is how skynet starts its global takeover.