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No - I think that the right of the person to choose who they serve is up to them. If they choose not serve a large group of people - they will go out of business.It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
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No, everyone has to use it, unlike any other market.Originally posted by baldgriff View PostIf DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
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Shkreli is an ass and attempted (and to some point he was successful) to take advantage of the way drugs are regulated and there is no competition on drugs for X period of time before "generics" are then available. My contention is if you allow for true competition in the market the prices will actually go down. Please watch as Mr. Shapiro explains this very well:Originally posted by DMT View Post
It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantraComment
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Huh? Many doctors would choose not to serve people who can't pay them. In which case, they wouldn't go out of business, they'd improve their financial position, and there'd be no market pressure at all to treat the poor.Originally posted by baldgriff View Post
I find your point of view bizarre - why are the concerns of insurance companies and doctors more important to you than the health of your fellow citizens?
Nobody's expecting doctors to be on the hook for patients who can't pay. I think most taxpayers are willing to cover the gaps, we just need to find fair and effective ways to keep the gaps manageable.
OK, now I'm leaving."When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."Comment
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You arent singling me out. I answered you honestly. I also think as Shapiro states, that if you make healthcare a commodity - get rid of many of the bs regulations and base who is successful on whether they provide good services - prices will drop to a point that most regular care can be done fairly inexpensively. Hell, doctors used to do house calls and if the person didnt have money - well the doctor went home with a chicken or something else that became the agreed upon price. The government cant get taxes out of a chicken.Originally posted by DMT View PostIt is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantraComment
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CBB, one reason people like Chaffetz get ridiculed all the time is because they say stupid sh*t. Average cost of health care for an American family of four is $2100 per month. Insurance policies regularly run from $500 per month for those who have good jobs to over $1500 per month for those who don't.Originally posted by cardboardbox View Post
Chaffetz didn't say an Iphone 7, but let's assume that he meant that. I got one Friday. It cost me $30 a month. Even if I to purchase for some reason, I could buy a dozen or so a year for what I pay for health insurance.
So here is what's wrong with what Chaffetz says. It implies that poor people piss away their money. It is like the study talking about how great the poor had it because so many of them had refrigerators. It is the 2017 answer to Reagan's "welfare queen" myth. It is snotty and implicitly racist. It is divisive. It foments class conflict. And it was politically inept for someone trying to pass a legislative package.If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. - Karl PopperComment
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Each person in the equation has rights. The sick person and the doctor. I just feel that the government should not be forcing the doctor to serve someone he may or may not want to. His right is just as important the sick persons. If doctor A wont serve him - go to doctor B.Originally posted by senorsheep View PostIt is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantraComment
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When do you think was the last time doctors made house calls and took chickens in payment? Did you grow up in a Norman Rockwell painting?Originally posted by baldgriff View PostIf we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. - Karl PopperComment
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I live in fly-over country. House calls ended when insurance companies couldnt authorize the treatments that were being done. My point is that healthcare was reasonably available and priced at one time in our past. What has changed?It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantraComment
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In my hometown, there was one doctor. No Doctor B. So if Doctor A won't see people who can't pay, then what?Originally posted by baldgriff View Post"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."Comment
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Lets switch this up a bit...
I worked downtown Mpls for the last 2 years. Everyday I walked by at least 5 - 10 people in the skyway system holding signs and asking for food or money. Is it my responsibility to stop and give each one of them a sawbuck? How many times have you walked up to the homeless guy and handed him cash - what about the guy 15ft away - did you stop there?It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantraComment
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Then he is a douche! It also means that when someone else in town becomes a doctor he will have a bunch of people ready and waiting for his services. Your problem is that there isnt any competition forcing doctor A. You could go to the next town over.Originally posted by senorsheep View Post
Additionally, due to the lack of competition doctor A can charge whatever the hell he wants. Maybe its his exorbitant pricing that is the issue.It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantraComment
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I don't give street people money, but I am perfectly willing to help people who through no fault of their own are legitimately sick and seeking treatment.Originally posted by baldgriff View Post"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."Comment
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Damn, and here I thought I was the most callous RotoJunkie. I'm going to have to up my game.Originally posted by baldgriff View Post"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."Comment
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I don't understand why you're making 19th century arguments to a 21st century problem.Originally posted by baldgriff View PostIf DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel PaigeComment
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