2024 Election Thread

[revo]

Former Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson has announced his already doomed candidacy for the GOP nod.

[revo]

One of the few sane Republicans, Larry Hogan, will not run for president in 2024.

[revo]

In the Dominion Voting trial against Fox News, emails and texts show the Faux News hosts knew the election fraud garbage Drumpf was pushing was all BS, but they went with it anyway to prevent Drumpf from bashing them and their viewers from fleeing.

• Tommy Firth, a producer for Laura Ingraham's show, texted a Fox executive on Nov. 8, 2020: "This dominion sh*t is going to give me a f*cking aneurysm—as many times as I’ve told Laura it’s bs, she sees sh*t posters and trump tweeting about it."
• Host Sean Hannity testified that "that whole narrative that Sidney [Powell] was pushing, I did not believe it for one second" — despite inviting her onto his show without challenging her claims, per the filing.
• On Jan. 6, 2021, the filing says host Tucker Carlson texted that Trump is "a demonic force. A destroyer. But he's not going to destroy us."
• Murdoch at one point called the baseless voter fraud claims "really crazy stuff" in a text.
• In one set of messages revealed in the court filing, Carlson texted Ingraham, saying that Sidney Powell, an attorney who was representing the Trump campaign, was “lying” and that he had “caught her” doing so. Ingraham responded, “Sidney is a complete nut. No one will work with her. Ditto with Rudy [Giuliani].”
• In multiple instances, Fox News executives and hosts expressed worry over the matter and started to crack down on those at the network who fact-checked election lies — even as the messages show that Fox News’ chief political anchor, Bret Baier, pushed for such fact checks. In one case, after White House correspondent Jacqui Heinrich fact-checked a Trump tweet pushing election fraud, Carlson said he wanted her fired.
• In answering questions from Dominion's attorneys under oath, former Fox Business host Lou Dobbs said he had never "seen any verifiable, tangible support" that Dominion was owned by a second voting-tech company Smartmatic. Yet that claim was repeatedly said on air by Fox hosts and guests. Dobbs also said he was aware of no evidence that Dominion rigged the election, according to Dominion's legal filings.

Really damning stuff, all made up to protect the vanity of a clown and to continue to appease their brainwashed viewers.

[madducks]

The special grand jury investigating election interference in Georgia believes that some witnesses committed perjury and has given the green light to pursue indictments.

Go get 'em, cowboy!

I've seen this movie before. I won't spoil the ending.

[revo]

The special grand jury investigating election interference in Georgia believes that some witnesses committed perjury and has given the green light to pursue indictments.

Go get 'em, cowboy!

[revo]

Nikki Haley officially announces her bid for the GOP nomination

[revo]

The nightmare scenario for the GOP is totally playing out: Trump has continued his attacks on DeSantis and other possible contenders, which is exactly what GOP operatives feared -- that he would attempt to damage and discredit anyone who got in his way of the nomination. Most of the reputable pollsters show DeSantis leading Trump in HTH matchups, but if DeSantis wins, another GOP fear is that he wouldn't support the winner, or claim it was rigged, or some other nonsense. Or, in what would be the ultimate nightmare, would run as a 3rd party candidate, which would basically hand the presidency to the Democrats and lead to a GOP civil war.

[Sour Masher]

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I do not think you would have issues finding employment at your age. Heck you can&#39;t even get full SS benefits until 70.

You get full benefits at 67. The extra you get after that is considered above full. Semantics, I know, but few go the distance to 70 (5% of men, 7% of women).</p>

[Gregg]

please, can we stop with the septuagenarians? I'm 55 and worried I'd be unemployable if I lost my job... but 70 seems like a requirement to run the country.

I do not think you would have issues finding employment at your age. Heck you can't even get full SS benefits until 70.

[Kevin Seitzer]

There are a lot of things to like about Mayor Pete, but I have a hard time letting go of the fact that he got his start as a McKinsey consultant. That's a big hurdle for me to overcome. I'd feel better about that if he showed signs that he had left that way of thinking 100% in his past.

[revo]

I tend to agree. I like Mayor Pete, but could he really win? Not sure. Maybe? I'd like to see Whitmer, Phil Murphy, Newsom, JB Pritzker, Warnock, Roy Cooper, Jared Polis. There are actually some Republicans I would love to see run (and win) the nom, because at least there will be a solid choice to make: Sununu, Tim Scott, Asa Hutchinson, Larry Hogan, Charlie Baker, Chris Christie.

[Kevin Seitzer]

Interesting poll from UNH on the '24 New Hampshire Primary:
Buttigieg 23, Biden 18, Warren 18, Sanders 15, Ocasio-Cortez 6, Klobuchar 5, Harris 2, Newsom 1, Warnock 1

People I'd be excited/happy to vote for in that list: Warren, AOC, Warnock. Which isn't to say I'd hate all the rest of them, just that my enthusiasm for them is milder. And I think all of three I like most would face headwinds in a general election due to being female, black, and/or outspoken. In fact, I think most of the candidates on that list have baggage. But ultimately, if the Republicans continue to be the party of fascism and screw the poor/immigrant/transgender people, I'm going to vote for the person with the D after their name.

Warren - I like that she started out as a school teacher. I like that she's from Oklahoma, which is where I grew up--I know that's not relevant to most people but I think there's a certain practicality about life and down-home kindness that a lot of Oklahomans have that I also see in Warren. I like that she's tackled Wall Street. She seems very smart and also practical. Drawbacks: she's old and not super inspiring like Obama/AOC/etc.

AOC - She seems very smart and she wants to make a positive difference in people's lives by ordering our society in better and fairer way. She says what she thinks and she articulates it well. Drawbacks: she is very young (and polarizing, but I don't know if that's fairly a criticism of her or of the Republican media machine).

Warnock - He is articulate and principled. I like how his faith has driven him to care about enacting social change and justice. Drawbacks: maybe too religious for most Democrats and not the right kind of religious (i.e., black) to woo religious voters from the conservative side.

[heyelander]

please, can we stop with the septuagenarians? I'm 55 and worried I'd be unemployable if I lost my job... but 70 seems like a requirement to run the country.

[revo]

Interesting poll from UNH on the '24 New Hampshire Primary:
Buttigieg 23, Biden 18, Warren 18, Sanders 15, Ocasio-Cortez 6, Klobuchar 5, Harris 2, Newsom 1, Warnock 1

[Kevin Seitzer]

70% among Republicans, but 20% unfavorable, which is his lowest among Republicans since March 2016.

I agree he's more vulnerable than he has been. I'm not convinced he's vulnerable enough that any other particular candidate has a strong chance to take him down. I think DeSantis, for example, is likely to wither in an actual campaign against Trump.