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If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View PostDoes he ever get a second chance?
Your previous post:
Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View PostI don't forgive when I feel wronged because I believe in accountability
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Originally posted by Ken View PostMaybe you've turned into a new GITH. And perhaps my previous example didn't make sense, but does this one?
Your previous post:
Feels like a completely different tone from you in this thread than others. In the past you were the first to say this is wrong and we shouldn't put up with it, no second chances. (pull them from their SUV, shame them for their pets in public, etc)
Are you under the impression I'm condoning Smiths behavior?
BTW accountability can be addressed with apology, penance and other contricious acts. Which once performed can lead to forgiveness. Also I believe that line is being taken out of context as we were speaking of things done to us (me) early in our lives by people who have left our lives without being accountable and therefore-no forgiveness.If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View PostAre you under the impression I'm condoning Smiths behavior?
I don't have a strong opinion on Will Smith either direction.
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Originally posted by Ken View PostNo, I was actually just impressed with what I saw as a positive change and wondering if you agreed that you had changed your approach.
I don't have a strong opinion on Will Smith either direction.
My issue with certain takes in this post is that, no matter how shitty we might be, others might be--we should strive to understand that other person's situation which I feel some posters have ignored in Smith's case and find is somewhat hypocritical that some can vehemently denounce Smith given their own past indiscretions.
You know I have issues with some folks in here and they with me, but I've tried to be understanding as much as I can, apologize if needed and respect sincere requests. Still, I will at times fail and hurt/piss off or just plain annoy folks.
With that in mind, I don't see how I can be denigrating toward an individual who has done something I have done or might do.
And honestly, the Smith/Rock thing is inconsequential in the grand scheme though some might feel striking another person is a bigger deal than I do.
BTW, thanks for taking the time to answer my question. I was truly confused.If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Originally posted by Teenwolf View Post
I think getting upset that Smith wasn't removed from the Oscars sets a bad precedent, given all of questionable characters that have won (Harvey Weinstein, Casey Affleck, Roman Polanski, Woody Allen).
Also, I do not know the answer to this, but some have asked if Smith would have been handled the same way if he had smacked a white comedian for the same joke. I really don't know, but to me not condemning the academy's response to Smith's actions is more perplexing than being understanding about Smith's actions. Does anyone really think it was the right move for the academy to let him go sit back down after the slap and stick around? I assume/hope everyone who has said they might have done the same also would have accepted the consequence of being escorted out of the building after the assault. It is the reasonable and normal thing that would have happened to any of us in just about any other context. If any one of us defended our wife's honor with assault, we would absolutely be removed from the building in which it happened and likely would be arrested. Hell, if he had real consequences like that instead of getting to party all night, I'd be a little more sympathetic to him. But so far, he has faced no real consequences for his actions.
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostPast bad actors getting away with bad actions is no excuse for condoning further bad actions. The Oscars should have kicked out Adrien Brody when he forced a kiss on Halle Berry, the whole community should have stood up to predators long before they did, and they should have kicked Smith out immediately. Putting aside whether he was right or not to do it, I am surprised we cannot all agree the academy was wrong to not remove him from the premises, and it was creepy that he got a standing ovation just a little while later.
Also, I do not know the answer to this, but some have asked if Smith would have been handled the same way if he had smacked a white comedian for the same joke. I really don't know, but to me not condemning the academy's response to Smith's actions is more perplexing than being understanding about Smith's actions. Does anyone really think it was the right move for the academy to let him go sit back down after the slap and stick around? I assume/hope everyone who has said they might have done the same also would have accepted the consequence of being escorted out of the building after the assault. It is the reasonable and normal thing that would have happened to any of us in just about any other context. If any one of us defended our wife's honor with assault, we would absolutely be removed from the building in which it happened and likely would be arrested. Hell, if he had real consequences like that instead of getting to party all night, I'd be a little more sympathetic to him. But so far, he has faced no real consequences for his actions.
Alec Baldwin did worse things when his underfunded movie got a crew member killed. Would you have him barred from attending if he were found criminally negligent? Is that the representation of Hollywood we want to see? Not necessairly, but the show has always exhibited questionable morals, including booing Michael Moore for speaking against the Iraq war. You choose to watch or not. You cannot go 'small hall' with the Oscars or you'd be further taking away from the celebration of the accomplishment (as you pointed out is a terrible thing), by shifting the focus to which actors should be allowed to the event or not based on their personal morality. No way, man. Focus on the show. Getting smacked and sworn at for an intentionally hurtful comment shouldn't be shocking, thats the intention. An open hand changes his intent from injury to public shaming, and he wasn't removed because it was immediately clear that he was finished with the physical part of the altercation. He didn't need to be held back, and wasn't intoxicated. Just made a bad decision on the world's biggest stage. Nobody had weapons or any of the concerns of escalation present in the real world. I consider the opportunity for everyone to engage in a civil discourse about a nuanced issue valuable in this day and age of Q-anon and other loonies.
I think his action deserved a public apology. His speech on the night was bad, apology afterward was good. Everything happened as it should have, for the most part. An important learning lesson for all.Last edited by Teenwolf; 03-29-2022, 11:57 PM.Larry David was once being heckled, long before any success. Heckler says "I'm taking my dog over to fuck your mother, weekly." Larry responds "I hate to tell you this, but your dog isn't liking it."
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostPast bad actors getting away with bad actions is no excuse for condoning further bad actions. The Oscars should have kicked out Adrien Brody when he forced a kiss on Halle Berry, the whole community should have stood up to predators long before they did, and they should have kicked Smith out immediately. Putting aside whether he was right or not to do it, I am surprised we cannot all agree the academy was wrong to not remove him from the premises, and it was creepy that he got a standing ovation just a little while later.
Also, I do not know the answer to this, but some have asked if Smith would have been handled the same way if he had smacked a white comedian for the same joke. I really don't know, but to me not condemning the academy's response to Smith's actions is more perplexing than being understanding about Smith's actions. Does anyone really think it was the right move for the academy to let him go sit back down after the slap and stick around? I assume/hope everyone who has said they might have done the same also would have accepted the consequence of being escorted out of the building after the assault. It is the reasonable and normal thing that would have happened to any of us in just about any other context. If any one of us defended our wife's honor with assault, we would absolutely be removed from the building in which it happened and likely would be arrested. Hell, if he had real consequences like that instead of getting to party all night, I'd be a little more sympathetic to him. But so far, he has faced no real consequences for his actions.
Btw, in looking back at my joke about onejays wife, reactions were pretty similar. Some were extremely angry stating such a comment could lead to a fight. Some thought it was varying degrees of poor taste. Some thought it was an innocuous joke. I was even told to shut my damn mouth via a scary looking rock meme by mr Colette. (It really wasn’t scary). Point being is this; everyone’s degree of sensitivity is different. What’s offensive and how we react are probably going to differ. So it stands to reason our ideas on how such an offense should be perceived and handled will be varied as well.
FWIW a couple of years after my poor choice in humor, onejay and I tried to meet up for lunch/dinner on a family trip through Texas. Time constraints made it not possible,but there was an effort made to be conciliatory. I believe the same will happen between Rock and the smiths.If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Smith was asked to leave but refused. The defense of his actions is astounding to me.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by DMT View PostSmith was asked to leave but refused. The defense of his actions is astounding to me.If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Originally posted by nullnor View Postyou guys are stupidIf I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Originally posted by DMT View PostSmith was asked to leave but refused. The defense of his actions is astounding to me.
If I were Rock, I think I would have pressed charges.
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Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View PostSerious question. Is saying you understand how he could have done what he did and stating that you might do the same--defending? I'm pretty sure almost everyone who's said the previous has also mentioned they thought Smith was wrong and should have handled it better.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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jada pinkett smith was in one of the matrix movies right? I haven't really seen anything else she was in. pretty solid in the movie.
will smith is like a fucking god. so this whole thing is disappointing.
but clearly they divorced and as a guy I'll say Jada is fucking crazy. but now it doesn't seem as so.
btw that scientology movie After Earth with Will Smith and his son, is really fucking good.
so.. I have no opinion in this matter. I remain Switzerland.
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