Official Sexual Harrassment Thread

[Hornsby]

What an epic straw man argument. Who suggested that doing the right thing wasn't worth doing? That's a pretty self righteous suggestion there.



Clearly you do. And those who fanatically back the GOP "see" what they are doing as right regardless of their past history as well, which is just as asinine.

The point was that both sides pointing fingers across the aisle serves no purpose. You still seem to be missing that.

You have an odd need to try to make these little discussions personal...I'm not sure I'm the right person to help you with that. But good luck!

[Ken]

my opinion - his tenure is simply coincidental to the movement

I don't believe it is coincidental. I also don't think he deserves "credit". His own shady past is involved in this. People are speaking up more about harrasment.

So he's "responsible" for the change, in much the same way that terrorists are "responsible" for us being more vigilant and careful about safety.

[Ken]

I'm not sure I'm the right person to help you with that. But good luck!

No "help" needed, thanks!

[revo]

Latest accused: Hall of Famer Warren Moon

[The Feral Slasher]

my opinion - his tenure is simply coincidental to the movement to make elected officials (and everyone, really) become more accountable for how they treat their constituents, employees, coworkers, etc.

And I also think that it's important to observe how people (political parties, private companies, individuals, etc) respond to this movement. Some are trying to further bury things under the carpet, others are trying to support changes to out the offending parties. The response isn't uniform.

I agree with this. It's disappointing that the GOP is still acting the way it is, and it's disappointing that it took the recent events for the Dems to take the positions they are now taking. Everyone was ok with Conyers until it became too much of a PR liability. The cynic would conclude that each party is taking the positions they are taking just because they think that will win them the most votes and power. Regardless, it does seem like progress is being made for the most part.

[baldgriff]

I agree with this. It's disappointing that the GOP is still acting the way it is, and it's disappointing that it took the recent events for the Dems to take the positions they are now taking. Everyone was ok with Conyers until it became too much of a PR liability. The cynic would conclude that each party is taking the positions they are taking just because they think that will win them the most votes and power. Regardless, it does seem like progress is being made for the most part.

Call me a cynic..............
especially when he endorses his son for the seat...... yeah that is a really good move and provides one with a great amount of confidence. Nepotism anyone??

[In the Corn]

It would have been interesting to see what Franken would have done if the MN governor wasn't a Democrat. That makes is a whole heck of lot easier to resign knowing a Democrat will be placed in your seat when the voting margin is so close.

As for Conyers and a Republican governor in Michigan...the margin is so vast, that one seat makes little difference.

Less than two weeks ago, Nancy Pelosi was calling Conyers an icon, so yes, this is all about PR and liability to the party. As I stated earlier, I would hope that if/when Moore gets elected he would resign immediately...again, it's about party first!

[Gregg]

This discussion certainly should not be personal. I think we can all agree on what is acceptable and not acceptable from a sexual harassment side of things.

As I mentioned in my earlier post there is enough evil to go around for everyone. Money and Power have always been used to get sex. It is not surprising. It appears the time is right to do something about it.

Next up save the sex slaves.

[revo]

Latest accused: Rep. Trent Franks of Arizona, who resigned from Congress today

[Hornsby]

Latest accused: Rep. Trent Franks of Arizona, who resigned from Congress today

Just to be fair, he's a Republican, who did the wrong thing(s), but now is doing the right thing.

[Bernie Brewer]

Just to be fair, he's a Republican, who did the wrong thing(s), but now is doing the right thing.

He isn’t doing the right thing as much as he was told by Paul Ryan to resign or he’d face an embarrassing ethics investigation. The evidence was apparently heavy and he was cooked. And he isn’t a loss as the balance of the house isn’t in play. But, then again neither is Conyers or Franken as niether will impact any votes. But I think Franken stepping down is a high price to “reclaim the moral high ground” and the Dems will regret it in the long term. The whole Moore outrage ( the outrage is appropriate ) is just three dimensional chess by Senate Dems to the balance of the Senate back in play. Moore will get elected and MvConnel will make him step down. The Alabama GOP Gov will appoint Luther Strange again and hold another special election. No party has the moral high ground.

[cardboardbox]

Just got back from vacation, did I miss anything in this long thread?

[Redbirds Fan]

He isn’t doing the right thing as much as he was told by Paul Ryan to resign or he’d face an embarrassing ethics investigation. The evidence was apparently heavy and he was cooked. And he isn’t a loss as the balance of the house isn’t in play. But, then again neither is Conyers or Franken as niether will impact any votes. But I think Franken stepping down is a high price to “reclaim the moral high ground” and the Dems will regret it in the long term. The whole Moore outrage ( the outrage is appropriate ) is just three dimensional chess by Senate Dems to the balance of the Senate back in play. Moore will get elected and MvConnel will make him step down. The Alabama GOP Gov will appoint Luther Strange again and hold another special election. No party has the moral high ground.

Didn't the Moore pedophilia scandal break prior to the the Franken groping scandal? You're making it sound as though the Moore "outrage" was a reaction to the Franken situation.

[Bernie Brewer]

Didn't the Moore pedophilia scandal break prior to the the Franken groping scandal? You're making it sound as though the Moore "outrage" was a reaction to the Franken situation.

I didn’t say that. If anything the Moore thing accelerated the Franken thing, because Republicans tried to make into something it wasn’t. They tried and succeeded in making it some sort of flawed false equivalency between Franken and Moore. There is no equivalence. The Dems reluctantly ceased on the GOPs false equivalence on Franken and Conyers because they could use it to their party’s political advantage. Lose Franken, no harm. Lose Conyers, no big deal. Ryan just did the same with Franks. Hold your nose and suddenly Moore is worth fighting for so long as the GOP keeps controls the Senate. If, big if, he wins, he’ll never be seated, I wish it weren’t so, but this is politics and politics sucks.

[Hornsby]

He isn’t doing the right thing as much as he was told by Paul Ryan to resign or he’d face an embarrassing ethics investigation. The evidence was apparently heavy and he was cooked. And he isn’t a loss as the balance of the house isn’t in play. But, then again neither is Conyers or Franken as niether will impact any votes. But I think Franken stepping down is a high price to “reclaim the moral high ground” and the Dems will regret it in the long term. The whole Moore outrage ( the outrage is appropriate ) is just three dimensional chess by Senate Dems to the balance of the Senate back in play. Moore will get elected and MvConnel will make him step down. The Alabama GOP Gov will appoint Luther Strange again and hold another special election. No party has the moral high ground.

I'd have to respectfully disagree with Franken's resignation being a high price to pay for the "moral high ground"...these allegations were NOT going to stop, IMO. He's been a public figure for over 3 decades now, as he said, he's taken thousands of photos with people, and I'm guessing that this was just the tip of the iceberg in terms of allegations. Is a part of the outcry by colleagues political in nature? You're absolutely spot on with that, but it doesn't change the fact that that this is now a movement that has momentum that probably won't be stopped.

As far as the power that McConnell wields, I'm not convinced that it's as strong as you think that it is. I suspect that now that Trump, the Party, and McConnell himself endorsing Moore, he may be a thorn in their sides that can't be removed so easily. I'm kind of convinced a better strategy for the GOP would have been to keep distanced from Trump and any endorsement of Moore, and let Jones control the seat for the short time that's left. I realize that would make the majority razor thin in the Senate, but I don't know that Moore is going to be a lot of help there either.