Man, how dull are NL leagues going to be next year?
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2k15 Offseason Transaction Thread
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Originally posted by Gregg View PostYou are right. Hanley just signed 4 years $88M.
Now that makes some players available for a good package to get Hamels. Although I doubt Xander will be included.I'm just here for the baseball.
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Originally posted by chancellor View PostI don't see how they avoid it. The Phils will want Xander and a top flight P (probably Owens) as the starting point. I think they'll take two lesser prospects - say, a 3B and Bradley, for example. But they know Rollins is done soon and will look to build elsewhere with dealing Hamels.
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Originally posted by YourPalChrisMal View PostXander, Owens and Bradley for Hamels would do it for me if I'm on either side of the deal.
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Originally posted by Bodhizefa View PostI disagree. Strongly. Hamels has some value but he doesn't have a ton at the salary he's locked into for the next four years. Plus he's got tons of mileage on that arm. No way is a pitcher who's paid basically at value worth a haul including a premier young shortstop, a very good pitching prospect, and more. At most, I think the Phils could get Owens, Bradley, and some lesser guys out of the Red Sox. But Amaro made his bed by giving out outlandish longterm deals paying guys at or above their value, and now he's going to pay the price when trying to get trade value back. If the Red Sox are willing to pay a pitcher $22.5 million per year, they'll just go out and get Lester back. Or they can use their surplus outfielders for lesser pitchers (which seems the most likely). The Hamels to Boston for Xander rumors are insane, though. It's not gonna happen. In a fantasy league? Maybe that deal you stated happens. But in the real world where the salaries are a huge component, it's just silliness to think Hamels would be worth that haul.
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Originally posted by Bodhizefa View PostI disagree. Strongly. Hamels has some value but he doesn't have a ton at the salary he's locked into for the next four years. Plus he's got tons of mileage on that arm. No way is a pitcher who's paid basically at value worth a haul including a premier young shortstop, a very good pitching prospect, and more. At most, I think the Phils could get Owens, Bradley, and some lesser guys out of the Red Sox. But Amaro made his bed by giving out outlandish longterm deals paying guys at or above their value, and now he's going to pay the price when trying to get trade value back. If the Red Sox are willing to pay a pitcher $22.5 million per year, they'll just go out and get Lester back. Or they can use their surplus outfielders for lesser pitchers (which seems the most likely). The Hamels to Boston for Xander rumors are insane, though. It's not gonna happen. In a fantasy league? Maybe that deal you stated happens. But in the real world where the salaries are a huge component, it's just silliness to think Hamels would be worth that haul.
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Originally posted by Bodhizefa View PostI disagree. Strongly. Hamels has some value but he doesn't have a ton at the salary he's locked into for the next four years. Plus he's got tons of mileage on that arm. No way is a pitcher who's paid basically at value worth a haul including a premier young shortstop, a very good pitching prospect, and more. At most, I think the Phils could get Owens, Bradley, and some lesser guys out of the Red Sox. But Amaro made his bed by giving out outlandish longterm deals paying guys at or above their value, and now he's going to pay the price when trying to get trade value back. If the Red Sox are willing to pay a pitcher $22.5 million per year, they'll just go out and get Lester back. Or they can use their surplus outfielders for lesser pitchers (which seems the most likely). The Hamels to Boston for Xander rumors are insane, though. It's not gonna happen. In a fantasy league? Maybe that deal you stated happens. But in the real world where the salaries are a huge component, it's just silliness to think Hamels would be worth that haul.
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Originally posted by revo View PostA key factor to consider is that he's signed for only four years compared to 5+ years that the top free agent pitchers will command.
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Originally posted by mgwiz22 View PostSo, do you think that they will offer their prospects for a Harvey type?
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Originally posted by Bodhizefa View PostI think a Bogaerts+Owens+Bradley for Matt Harvey type is a hell of a lot more likely than a similar package for Hamels unless the Phillies are picking up an insane portion of Hamels' contract.
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