Affordable Health Care Law under review by SCOTUS

[onejayhawk]

Health Care is one of those things where you shouldn't get to be personally selfish, because when you are selfish, like not vaccinating your children, other people die. We need a national, dispersed health care system because the #1 national security threat to the US is a pandemic, either natural or man made. We can't have all our trained medical professionals sitting in single buildings, we need tripwires of neighborhood clinics staffed with nurse practitioners.

What you need is a new plan. The old one is defunct. ACA was designed to fail, so that the next step in the plan could eliminate private insurance altogether. Now, you have a Republican Congress. Come up with a plan that takes reality into account.

J

[The Feral Slasher]

What you need is a new plan. The old one is defunct. ACA was designed to fail, so that the next step in the plan could eliminate private insurance altogether.

J

So you believe that Obama and the other Democrats who supported the legislation really want to stick it to their corporate donors with a devious plan to eliminate private insurance altogether ?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/05/obamacare-fowler-lobbyist-industry1

When the legislation that became known as "Obamacare" was first drafted, the key legislator was the Democratic Chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, Max Baucus, whose committee took the lead in drafting the legislation. As Baucus himself repeatedly boasted, the architect of that legislation was Elizabeth Folwer, his chief health policy counsel; indeed, as Marcy Wheeler discovered, it was Fowler who actually drafted it. As Politico put it at the time: "If you drew an organizational chart of major players in the Senate health care negotiations, Fowler would be the chief operating officer."

What was most amazing about all of that was that, before joining Baucus' office as the point person for the health care bill, Fowler was the Vice President for Public Policy and External Affairs (i.e. informal lobbying) at WellPoint, the nation's largest health insurance provider (before going to WellPoint, as well as after, Fowler had worked as Baucus' top health care aide). And when that health care bill was drafted, the person whom Fowler replaced as chief health counsel in Baucus' office, Michelle Easton, was lobbying for WellPoint as a principal at Tarplin, Downs, and Young.

Whatever one's views on Obamacare were and are: the bill's mandate that everyone purchase the products of the private health insurance industry, unaccompanied by any public alternative, was a huge gift to that industry; as Wheeler wrote at the time: "to the extent that Liz Fowler is the author of this document, we might as well consider WellPoint its author as well." Watch the five-minute Bill Moyers report from 2009, embedded below, on the key role played in all of this by Liz Fowler and the "revolving door" between the health insurance/lobbying industry and government officials at the time this bill was written and passed.

More amazingly still, when the Obama White House needed someone to oversee implementation of Obamacare after the bill passed, it chose . . . Liz Fowler. That the White House would put a former health insurance industry executive in charge of implementation of its new massive health care law was roundly condemned by good government groups as at least a violation of the "spirit" of governing ethics rules and even "gross", but those objections were, of course, brushed aside by the White House.

[GwynnInTheHall]

So you believe that Obama and the other Democrats who supported the legislation really want to stick it to their corporate donors with a devious plan to eliminate private insurance altogether ?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/05/obamacare-fowler-lobbyist-industry1

When the legislation that became known as "Obamacare" was first drafted, the key legislator was the Democratic Chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, Max Baucus, whose committee took the lead in drafting the legislation. As Baucus himself repeatedly boasted, the architect of that legislation was Elizabeth Folwer, his chief health policy counsel; indeed, as Marcy Wheeler discovered, it was Fowler who actually drafted it. As Politico put it at the time: "If you drew an organizational chart of major players in the Senate health care negotiations, Fowler would be the chief operating officer."

What was most amazing about all of that was that, before joining Baucus' office as the point person for the health care bill, Fowler was the Vice President for Public Policy and External Affairs (i.e. informal lobbying) at WellPoint, the nation's largest health insurance provider (before going to WellPoint, as well as after, Fowler had worked as Baucus' top health care aide). And when that health care bill was drafted, the person whom Fowler replaced as chief health counsel in Baucus' office, Michelle Easton, was lobbying for WellPoint as a principal at Tarplin, Downs, and Young.

Whatever one's views on Obamacare were and are: the bill's mandate that everyone purchase the products of the private health insurance industry, unaccompanied by any public alternative, was a huge gift to that industry; as Wheeler wrote at the time: "to the extent that Liz Fowler is the author of this document, we might as well consider WellPoint its author as well." Watch the five-minute Bill Moyers report from 2009, embedded below, on the key role played in all of this by Liz Fowler and the "revolving door" between the health insurance/lobbying industry and government officials at the time this bill was written and passed.

More amazingly still, when the Obama White House needed someone to oversee implementation of Obamacare after the bill passed, it chose . . . Liz Fowler. That the White House would put a former health insurance industry executive in charge of implementation of its new massive health care law was roundly condemned by good government groups as at least a violation of the "spirit" of governing ethics rules and even "gross", but those objections were, of course, brushed aside by the White House.

This is the biggest reason Obamacare is failing, they should have allowed a public option as the very least and in my opinion, excluded insurance companies all together.

I'm eager to see how the single payer, medical/care/caid for all works out in Calif.

[onejayhawk]

So you believe that Obama and the other Democrats who supported the legislation really want to stick it to their corporate donors with a devious plan to eliminate private insurance altogether ?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/05/obamacare-fowler-lobbyist-industry1

When the legislation that became known as "Obamacare" was first drafted, the key legislator was the Democratic Chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, Max Baucus, whose committee took the lead in drafting the legislation. As Baucus himself repeatedly boasted, the architect of that legislation was Elizabeth Folwer, his chief health policy counsel; indeed, as Marcy Wheeler discovered, it was Fowler who actually drafted it. As Politico put it at the time: "If you drew an organizational chart of major players in the Senate health care negotiations, Fowler would be the chief operating officer."

What was most amazing about all of that was that, before joining Baucus' office as the point person for the health care bill, Fowler was the Vice President for Public Policy and External Affairs (i.e. informal lobbying) at WellPoint, the nation's largest health insurance provider (before going to WellPoint, as well as after, Fowler had worked as Baucus' top health care aide). And when that health care bill was drafted, the person whom Fowler replaced as chief health counsel in Baucus' office, Michelle Easton, was lobbying for WellPoint as a principal at Tarplin, Downs, and Young.

Whatever one's views on Obamacare were and are: the bill's mandate that everyone purchase the products of the private health insurance industry, unaccompanied by any public alternative, was a huge gift to that industry; as Wheeler wrote at the time: "to the extent that Liz Fowler is the author of this document, we might as well consider WellPoint its author as well." Watch the five-minute Bill Moyers report from 2009, embedded below, on the key role played in all of this by Liz Fowler and the "revolving door" between the health insurance/lobbying industry and government officials at the time this bill was written and passed.

More amazingly still, when the Obama White House needed someone to oversee implementation of Obamacare after the bill passed, it chose . . . Liz Fowler. That the White House would put a former health insurance industry executive in charge of implementation of its new massive health care law was roundly condemned by good government groups as at least a violation of the "spirit" of governing ethics rules and even "gross", but those objections were, of course, brushed aside by the White House.

In a nutshell, yes. Fowler is indeed the villain of this piece.

This is the biggest reason Obamacare is failing, they should have allowed a public option as the very least and in my opinion, excluded insurance companies all together.

I see agree with me through the back door.

I'm eager to see how the single payer, medical/care/caid for all works out in Calif.

Hehehehe.

J

[The Feral Slasher]

Dat da fack, Jack.


The Democrats have been very willing to take the big money. Witness Hillary's campaign finances vs Sanders. Obama was the same and spent eight years in bed with Wall street. The Republicans are no shining example, but these days they are a lot closer to the grass roots.

J

but according to your latest post the dems are only taking this money in order to backstab the corporations and implement single payer and socialism ? do i understand. you either need a consistent position or a lot better explanation. or maybe a tinfoil hat

[GwynnInTheHall]

but according to your latest post the dems are only taking this money in order to backstab the corporations and implement single payer and socialism ? do i understand. you either need a consistent position or a lot better explanation. or maybe a tinfoil hat

Tinfoil Hats aren't covered in single payer.........

[The Feral Slasher]

Tinfoil Hats aren't covered in single payer.........

Clearly that is Fowler's fault, she's the villain here

[Hornsby]

but according to your latest post the dems are only taking this money in order to backstab the corporations and implement single payer and socialism ? do i understand. you either need a consistent position or a lot better explanation. or maybe a tinfoil hat

Welcome to OJ logic...very difficult to follow unless you already own a tinfoil hat.

[The Feral Slasher]

Welcome to OJ logic...very difficult to follow unless you already own a tinfoil hat.

I blame Fowler...she's the villain here.

[baldgriff]

Whatever one's views on Obamacare were and are: the bill's mandate that everyone purchase the products of the private health insurance industry, unaccompanied by any public alternative, was a huge gift to that industry;

Huh, funny I believe that I had multiple arguments about the major flaw in Obamacare being the fact that this law was strictly to the benefit of the insurance companies, because it created an uneven market with no competition. One devilish individual that no longer seems to attend here, repeatedly told me I was wrong and how this was such a boon......

Funny to hear that the Dems created a law that would be a boon to one specific industry - under the guise of making it a right of all people. You know that right that we all get to pay more for less and less. The only ones making more money from this deal are the Insurance Companies via the all but essential monopoly that Obamacare created.

I call it a boondoggle! Nice to see that some people are catching up.

[DMT]

Huh, funny I believe that I had multiple arguments about the major flaw in Obamacare being the fact that this law was strictly to the benefit of the insurance companies, because it created an uneven market with no competition. One devilish individual that no longer seems to attend here, repeatedly told me I was wrong and how this was such a boon......

Funny to hear that the Dems created a law that would be a boon to one specific industry - under the guise of making it a right of all people. You know that right that we all get to pay more for less and less. The only ones making more money from this deal are the Insurance Companies via the all but essential monopoly that Obamacare created.

I call it a boondoggle! Nice to see that some people are catching up.

There is no question that Obama should have pushed harder for single-payer. But who made single-payer untenable?

[Hi.I'm.Mandy]

There is no question that Obama should have pushed harder for single-payer. But who made single-payer untenable?

It's got to be Fowler, right ? or is this a trick question ?

[baldgriff]

There is no question that Obama should have pushed harder for single-payer. But who made single-payer untenable?

It was not my intent to create an argument about whether the D's or the R's are to blame here for not having single-payer. My intent was to just make the point that finally it appears that there are those that agree with my contention about the major flaw.

I would agree the R voted completely against it. Nothing like partisanship.

[DMT]

It was not my intent to create an argument about whether the D's or the R's are to blame here for not having single-payer. My intent was to just make the point that finally it appears that there are those that agree with my contention about the major flaw.

I would agree the R voted completely against it. Nothing like partisanship.

But I was critical of the major flaw when it passed and voiced that opposition on this board. I don't think I was the only one.

[baldgriff]

But I was critical of the major flaw when it passed and voiced that opposition on this board. I don't think I was the only one.

You were not the one calling me to task.