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If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
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Originally posted by DMT View PostSorry to burst CBB's bubble, but your 1st point has already been debunked by OaklandAs."The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable." -NY Times
"For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts" - Joe Biden
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Originally posted by DMT View PostI honestly didn't follow along too closely, but are you sure this wasn't proposed and shot down because it would (in the warped minds of some) be construed as a tax increase? If it was never even on the table, then that is a huge failure of leadership on Obama's part because I agree that it would be a relatively easy sell to the public."When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."
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Originally posted by cardboardbox View PostDid oak somehow prove that the wealthy do not pay a ridiculously disproportionate percent of federal income taxes which was Chancellor's first point?
If you answer 20%, then you are arguing for a flat tax rate. But if you believe in a progressive tax rate system, then of course they are going to pay more than 20% of the income tax. That is the whole point of a progressive tax code.
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Originally posted by senorsheep View PostStart with obvious low-hanging fruit that majorities on both sides would like to see picked. Why didn't Obama and his Democratic majority go after this when they had the chance - can you imagine any politician trying to defend this practice in the court of public opinion? These are the kinds of obvious wrongs I was hoping Obama would right as president, vs. initiatives like ramming through an unpopular healthcare boondoggle that was ultimately stripped down to the point of near uselessness.
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Originally posted by OaklandA's View PostUm, do you remember when Obama tried to close the loopholes for the big oil companies earlier this year? Closing these loopholes would have saved $77B over 10 years. Meanwhile, the oil companies have racked up profits of $900B over the last decade, and gas prices are higher than ever. 74% of the U.S. population stated that they wanted these loopholes closed. Yet, even this bill could not get past the filibuster.
http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/i...splay/id/22425
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Originally posted by senorsheep View PostHonestly, if a guy with his rhetorical skills tried and failed to sell something this easy without anyone even noticing, then he wasn't trying very hard.
Sheesh, when did I become your favorite whipping boy? :eek:“Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.”
-Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Originally posted by OaklandA's View PostUm, do you remember when Obama tried to close the loopholes for the big oil companies earlier this year? Closing these loopholes would have saved $77B over 10 years. Meanwhile, the oil companies have racked up profits of $900B over the last decade, and gas prices are higher than ever. 74% of the U.S. population stated that they wanted these loopholes closed. Yet, even this bill could not get past the filibuster.
http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/i...splay/id/22425"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."
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Originally posted by Wonderboy View PostSheesh, when did I become your favorite whipping boy? :eek:"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."
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Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View PostJust because people screw up the practical application of something doesn't make it an Bad idea. If the field is unfair, then get used to people trying to even it out.
Either make it fair or take the corrections as they come--OR admit you just don't give a **** about anyone else but yourself (not meaning you personally, just anyone who adheres to this 'Tough ****" mantra).
It really is that simple.
Should I tell them Tough ****?
JAd Astra per Aspera
Oh. In that case, never mind. - Wonderboy
GITH fails logic 101. - bryanbutler
Bah...OJH caught me. - Pogues
I don't know if you guys are being willfully ignorant, but... - Judge Jude
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Originally posted by senorsheep View PostI dunno, I can't see your original Join Date anymore...“Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.”
-Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Originally posted by Judge Jude View PostThe economic collapse and the reasons for it do tend to weigh against the "rightfully earned" concept. "Moneyball" author Michael Lewis laid it out masterfully in "The Big Short' book of last year.
I am all for punishing cheaters and other bad actors harshly, but I want no part of doing it through our tax codes, which nets the good fish right along with the bad. The sentiment that "They stole it, so we'll recover it via higher taxes" is rooted in fallacious logic and class bigotry every bit as noxious as Rush Limbaugh's lemmings bloviating that all people receiving public assistance should be treated like welfare cheats."When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."
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Originally posted by senorsheep View PostNow, see, why not make this the first point of attack? This is a simple fairness concept that people of any political stripe can get behind - "It's not right for the wealthy to use their money and influence to carve out tax loopholes for themselves." Start with obvious low-hanging fruit that majorities on both sides would like to see picked. Why didn't Obama and his Democratic majority go after this when they had the chance - can you imagine any politician trying to defend this practice in the court of public opinion? These are the kinds of obvious wrongs I was hoping Obama would right as president, vs. initiatives like ramming through an unpopular healthcare boondoggle that was ultimately stripped down to the point of near uselessness.
Why is it I'm agreeing with you more and more.If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Originally posted by senorsheep View PostSo, because reprehensible Wall Street schmucks took shortcuts and stole their loot, honest businessmen in Colorado who busted their asses and built their fortunes the right way - employing thousands of people and spurring critical economic activity that benefited thousands more along the way - should share their fate? Bill Gates should be punished right along with Bernie Madoff?
I am all for punishing cheaters and other bad actors harshly, but I want no part of doing it through our tax codes, which nets the good fish right along with the bad. The sentiment that "They stole it, so we'll recover it via higher taxes" is rooted in fallacious logic and class bigotry every bit as noxious as Rush Limbaugh's lemmings bloviating that all people receiving public assistance should be treated like welfare cheats.
Although I agree that punishing the cheats is a laudable goal, most government regulatory agencies have had their budgets slashed and so are unable to pursue the cheaters as they should. And why have their budgets been slashed? To 'shrink government by cutting spending'!If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by onejayhawk View PostYou sidestep the point. I challange you assumption that there is a GOOD IDEA. Put it another way, the field is level when everyone has a gripe. What you are doing is trying to eliminate all the gripes, at least for those you support/protect. This is fundamentally unfair to those outside your group.
Should I tell them Tough ****?
J
Life is as fair as you demand it to be and that's always a good idea to strive to accomplish, however, you may encounter resistance from those who've been benefiting from their dependence that most folks will do nothing to make it fair.
Now we can debate what is fair and what is not, but if you're trying to tell me that "Life's not fair so just suck it up" then of course we'll never see eye to eye on this, not that I ever thought we would.
Edit: Your group should be Mankind-or for all you Xenophobes, at the very least least, AmericansIf I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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