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This. This. This"I lingered round them, under that benign sky: watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells, listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass, and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth." -
DMT, you are a funny man! At least you’re consistent in your spewings, that I’ll give you. That, to borrow a phrase, is Classic! “You guys”. Well, that’s very inclusive of you. And, who appointed “you and your guys” as the keepers of my/ our reality? I guess I should’ve expected it because I know your guys love to take away our rights. And, I suspect if everyone in your circle Is “thinking” just as you are, yes, you really do need new friends!Originally posted by DMT View PostLast edited by Bernie Brewer; 03-29-2018, 06:30 PM.I know in my heart that man is good. That what is right will always eventually triumph and there is purpose and worth to each and every life.
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Don’t really have a dog in this fight, but I do want to interject that this was a stupid thread topic that served no purpose but to create dissension within the SB.Comment
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I agree. I’m done with it.Originally posted by nots View PostI know in my heart that man is good. That what is right will always eventually triumph and there is purpose and worth to each and every life.
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A big problem with the premise of the thread is assuming conservatism and liberalism are monolithic constructs in which people fit neatly. People never had, and that is even more the case now as various factions have risen up within these general categories attempting to lay a claim as speaking for these larger, general terms. Neo-conservatism, alt-right, neoliberalism, reactionary factions to neoliberalism embracing socialism--there are a lot of different ideologies in play that make establishing simple binaries like this nearly impossible.
My first reading of the thread must have glossed over the "fake news" aspect of it. The premise reminded me of a study I'd read that suggested conservatives, by and large, and allowing for the glorious variations that exist in such a broad category, are more prone to confirmation bias than liberals, by and large. My response was a bit tongue and cheek, but if it is true, my contention is that it may have something to do with faith, and with being raised with the belief that one's worldview has profound metaphysical consequences.
On the specific issue of fake news and media manipulation, it does seem to me that crackpot, dangerous sources like infowars are more popular on the right than the left (radio ratings are completely dominated by extreme voices on the right--a lot of people eat this stuff up). Personally, as soon as a source starts attacking the parents of dead children as crisis actors, those sources should be immediately sent to an island colony where they can live on their own, surviving off their doomsday rations, and using their gold coins as currency, away from civilized, decent people.
It is a chicken egg thing, though. If there were as many characters on the left who were getting as much air time with as many people as those on the left, I'm sure a lot of folks would be swayed by their brand of crazy. But then the question becomes, why aren't there as many crazy voices on the left that are as popular as those on the right? Is it that there are so many of them that folks on the right end up being misled, or are there so many of them, because folks on the right want to hear that stuff more? IDK. And before anyone starts giving left-wing media names, check the ratings. Even now, when left voice ratings have spiked with Trump in office, they totally pale in comparison to the heavy hitters on the right.Last edited by Sour Masher; 03-29-2018, 09:02 PM.Comment
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Was it? It was really just an observation of my FB page. Dissension has always existed here.Originally posted by nots View Post"I lingered round them, under that benign sky: watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells, listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass, and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth."Comment
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But sharing this particular observation is offensive to some because it contradicts their belief that both sides are equally to blame.Originally posted by Mithrandir View PostIf DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel PaigeComment
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This was a great post...oh wait it was me. Yep still great.Originally posted by Gregg View PostComment
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conservative privilege sees equality as an attack on their status"You know what's wrong with America? If I lovingly tongue a woman's nipple in a movie, it gets an "NC-17" rating, if I chop it off with a machete, it's an "R". That's what's wrong with America, man...."--Dennis Hopper
"One should judge a man mainly from his depravities. Virtues can be faked. Depravities are real." -- Klaus KinskiComment
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Lol. It must have been shocking for you to see how this particular thread progressed. Since we discussed which side is more stupid and gullible maybe for the next topic we should discuss who is morally superior Democrats or Republicans.Originally posted by Mithrandir View Post---------------------------------------------
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
George Orwell, 1984
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Oh, it's Libertarians by a long shot!Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
"Your shitty future continues to offend me."
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Masher, I agree with what you say. While media is dominated by conservatives (most of them crackpots. I can't listen that drivel), academia is dominated by liberals to the point that many conservatives feel such pressure to hide their political views on the college campus...this is another area of tribalism within our society.Originally posted by Sour Masher View Post"Looks like I picked a bad day to give up sniffing glue.
- Steven McCrosky (Lloyd Bridges) in Airplane
i have epiphanies like that all the time. for example i was watching a basketball game today and realized pom poms are like a pair of tits. there's 2 of them. they're round. they shake. women play with them. thus instead of having two, cheerleaders have four boobs.
- nullnor, speaking on immigration law in AZ.Comment
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Yes, that is very true. I have worked at Universities my entire adult life and non-tenured conservatives have to be closeted or very careful. We just had a conservative professor here slip up and send the engineering list Serv an email in response to a black engineering society dinner, "please let me know when the white dinner is." He has faced very heavy criticism from our president on down. It has come out that he does talk about his Trump support and views on immigrants a lot in his classes that have nothing to do with politics, but he probably feels like if he were liberal he wouldn't be getting this backlash. And he probably felt the need to send that email and to talk politics in his classes, because there is no denying the majority of his peers and students are more liberal than he is, and he wanted to push back on them. (To that, I'd respond to him that universities, like most employers, are antognistic to any and all sentiments that bring them negative press or alienate segments of their client base, which his unnecessary email did).Originally posted by In the Corn View Post
There are some vocal conservative voices on campus, but I suspect, unfortunately, that most moderate conservative do stay closeted. Only the more extreme and tenured ones seem to speak out, and when they do, they don't do the silent, moderate, reasonable ones any favors, as the above case indicates. If they did speak up in a nuanced way on some hot button issues, they'd probably get lumped together by their peers with the few more extreme few that do rail against the largely leftist environment.
I will also say that even though I label myself liberal, I've read some extreme academic works that make me feel like a conservative in comparison to them, or at least make me cringe. It is extreme and certainly not the norm for all academics to think this way, despite what conservative pundits say, but there are fringe left arguments that I think do no favors to the progressive agenda, and alienate many moderate allies to good, progressive causes, because they suggest being privileged (white, male) is essentially a crime one must always atone for, but never really atone enough for (again, most arguments that point out the facts of institutional privledges are more nuanced). I emphasize that such radical positions are mostly overblown and oversimplified, but I guess it is fair to admit such fringe ideas exist on the very far left, since I'm bashing far right ideas. Still, it does seem to me that many many times more people listen and agree with the far, far right drivel you are wise enough to avoid than the maybe handful of people in the world that read and buy into the extreme left craziness of some obscure texts that gets over hyped or oversimplified by right winged media.Last edited by Sour Masher; 03-30-2018, 01:47 PM.Comment
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Ad Astra per Aspera
Oh. In that case, never mind.
- Wonderboy
GITH fails logic 101. - bryanbutler
Bah...OJH caught me. - Pogues
I don't know if you guys are being willfully ignorant, but... - Judge JudeComment
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Kurt is a self described liberal atheist. I might have a problem with a few of his view points even if I agreed on some others.Originally posted by B-Fly View PostThere was a pretty good analysis of this in The Atlantic back in September, which posited that belief in conspiracies and made up stuff used to be far more common on the American left, but that it has in more recent history risen sharply on the American right.
Chancellor may still view this analysis as bullshit, but it was pretty deeply and thoughtfully explored.Comment
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