Snarky comments.

[DJBeasties]

No idea what I missed but RJ lives forever!

[Gregg]

I know of 3 or 4 good posters who have left because of the general overall move to the snark side. Another couple that remain but did consider leaving. This place would take a hit if they left.

It is too important to me to just let is fade away or even get damaged.

It wasn't long ago that we were having a pretty strong discussion about message boards in general and how to increase members at RJ. Maybe a good start would be to not lose the members we have.

[GwynnInTheHall]

I know of 3 or 4 good posters who have left because of the general overall move to the snark side. Another couple that remain but did consider leaving. This place would take a hit if they left.

It is too important to me to just let is fade away or even get damaged.

It wasn't long ago that we were having a pretty strong discussion about message boards in general and how to increase members at RJ. Maybe a good start would be to not lose the members we have.

Here's the thing Gregg, I again, understand your point, but if being called stupid or racist is enough to drive you away then you really shouldn't involve yourself in the conversations that lead to those comments.

I will never understand why someone wouldn't go out of their way to disprove something false said about them. If you're falsely accused, truth will triumph and you will be vindicated.

On the flip side if you are racist, willfully ignorant or any of the other bad comments you feel might drive someone away, is that the person who points it out's fault or yours for not being accountable for who you are and your unwillingness to do anything to change? Or are we supposed to accept these behaviors and just allow people to go on being ignorant, racist and other behaviors which are I believe are just as detrimental to this site and society in general?

Seriously Gregg which is more damaging?

[Hornsby]

I know of 3 or 4 good posters who have left because of the general overall move to the snark side. Another couple that remain but did consider leaving. This place would take a hit if they left.

It is too important to me to just let is fade away or even get damaged.

It wasn't long ago that we were having a pretty strong discussion about message boards in general and how to increase members at RJ. Maybe a good start would be to not lose the members we have.

I don't know who left because of the "snark", but I suspect that they had paper thin skin to begin with. At it's height, RJ had some epic threads that went on for pages, filled with back and forth commentary, some of it snarky, some of it serious. But there were also some epic flame wars that went on...now,that rarely happens, and I think that the place is a little less interesting because of it. The beauty of this place to me, was that on a given day, you never really knew what might pop up, and who might participate in a discussion that could rage for days. Sadly, I think those days are gone, and trying to bring more "niceness" to the board will only hasten it's demise.

[GwynnInTheHall]

I don't know who left because of the "snark", but I suspect that they had paper thin skin to begin with. At it's height, RJ had some epic threads that went on for pages, filled with back and forth commentary, some of it snarky, some of it serious. But there were also some epic flame wars that went on...now,that rarely happens, and I think that the place is a little less interesting because of it. The beauty of this place to me, was that on a given day, you never really knew what might pop up, and who might participate in a discussion that could rage for days. Sadly, I think those days are gone, and trying to bring more "niceness" to the board will only hasten it's demise.

[Gregg]

Here's the thing Gregg, I again, understand your point, but if being called stupid or racist is enough to drive you away then you really shouldn't involve yourself in the conversations that lead to those comments.

I will never understand why someone wouldn't go out of their way to disprove something false said about them. If you're falsely accused, truth will triumph and you will be vindicated.

On the flip side if you are racist, willfully ignorant or any of the other bad comments you feel might drive someone away, is that the person who points it out's fault or yours for not being accountable for who you are and your unwillingness to do anything to change? Or are we supposed to accept these behaviors and just allow people to go on being ignorant, racist and other behaviors which are I believe are just as detrimental to this site and society in general?

Seriously Gregg which is more damaging?

Wow, you know that this is not what I was talking about at all.

This was not defending trolls or bigots. This is about not calling people stupid because they disagree with you or are in the minority of popular sentiment on this site.

B-Fly and I used to have some pretty good debates without ever once insulting each other. Bob and I not so much.

And if you can't see my point you are a stupid, ignorant puss ball...hey this is fun...jackass know it all stubborn arrogant hypocrite.

[Kevin Seitzer]

I will never understand why someone wouldn't go out of their way to disprove something false said about them. If you're falsely accused, truth will triumph and you will be vindicated.

Because you can't control what other people say about you, and you can run yourself ragged caring what they think about you. You do your best, and if other people don't like it, that's on them. The truth will eventually triumph, and you will be vindicated.

[Gregg]

I don't know who left because of the "snark", but I suspect that they had paper thin skin to begin with. At it's height, RJ had some epic threads that went on for pages, filled with back and forth commentary, some of it snarky, some of it serious. But there were also some epic flame wars that went on...now,that rarely happens, and I think that the place is a little less interesting because of it. The beauty of this place to me, was that on a given day, you never really knew what might pop up, and who might participate in a discussion that could rage for days. Sadly, I think those days are gone, and trying to bring more "niceness" to the board will only hasten it's demise.

Horns you have been around too long for this. The original owners didn't allow flame wars or swearing. There were some very good debates that often got derailed when the name calling started.

There will always be those who get their jollies from meanness. There is no way being nice brings down this board.

[GwynnInTheHall]

Wow, you know that this is not what I was talking about at all.

This was not defending trolls or bigots. This is about not calling people stupid because they disagree with you or are in the minority of popular sentiment on this site.

B-Fly and I used to have some pretty good debates without ever once insulting each other. Bob and I not so much.

And if you can't see my point you are a stupid, ignorant puss ball...hey this is fun...jackass know it all stubborn arrogant hypocrite.

I had just as many vitriolic confrontations with Bhob and never once thought of leaving over it nor took it personally. I argued the point and yeah we called each other names, but I was ok with that.

FWIW I can see your point so I am not stupid and ignorant. I disagree with it and you haven't provided me ample evidence that being nice is the way to go. Do so and I am open to changing my mind.

I am a know it all stubborn, arrogant jackass at times however I am Never hypocritical.

teach me as I am willing to learn.

[Stephen]

I know of 3 or 4 good posters who have left because of the general overall move to the snark side. Another couple that remain but did consider leaving. This place would take a hit if they left.

It is too important to me to just let is fade away or even get damaged.

It wasn't long ago that we were having a pretty strong discussion about message boards in general and how to increase members at RJ. Maybe a good start would be to not lose the members we have.

I'm more in favor of quality over quantity.

It's no secret that I'm not a big PapaDeuce fan. When he came back to RJ it actually led to me taking a break from the site because the board just became filled with what I personally deemed as pointless drivel. Could I skip it and not read it? Of course...but over time it just seemed like 60-80% was PD's schtick.

It's very important to protect what we have as we have some great minds here, but I'd rather have 1 poster who posts maybe once or twice a week with well thought out and insightful analysis than I would have 10 PDs who just posts whatever random thoughts that cross their mind with no point. Hell, even Mith at his most annoying at least had a point - even if it was insane.

[GwynnInTheHall]

Horns you have been around too long for this. The original owners didn't allow flame wars or swearing. There were some very good debates that often got derailed when the name calling started.

There will always be those who get their jollies from meanness. There is no way being nice brings down this board.

This is untrue as I was here from day one and Rick, one of the original owners, was one of the worst aggressors on the site. Byron was always reasonable, but there have been flames since day one. that didn't change when rick left and Kohm arrived.

If you think we get Jollies from being mean you're mistaken. Read the threads closer and you can see the frustration build when dealing with someone so close minded and ignorant that it eventually explodes.

it's like a coach trying to get a player to run a fly pattern and he keeps running a post. eventually he's going to get yelled at and probably not in the nicest way.

[Jefe]

I love you guys.

[GwynnInTheHall]

I love you guys.

You're stupid.

[Gregg]

This is untrue as I was here from day one and Rick, one of the original owners, was one of the worst aggressors on the site. Byron was always reasonable, but there have been flames since day one. that didn't change when rick left and Kohm arrived.

If you think we get Jollies from being mean you're mistaken. Read the threads closer and you can see the frustration build when dealing with someone so close minded and ignorant that it eventually explodes.

it's like a coach trying to get a player to run a fly pattern and he keeps running a post. eventually he's going to get yelled at and probably not in the nicest way.

Maybe we have to define terms as to what flames are?

People were warned and then given time outs when they crossed the line.

I am not saying you get your jollies from being mean. There certainly are those that like to throw a hand grenade in and sit back and watch (I am certainly not talking about the off color quips or ribs).

I have said my piece. It is a growing concern for me on place that is important to me. People can do what they want with it.

[Moonlight J]

Flames are from Calgary, duh