Election 2020

[revo]

And yet he can go lower.

https://twitter.com/AmerIndependent/status/1306343848680054784?s=09

He's a fucking sociopath.

It's too bad Biden is a nice guy, because the GOP needs severe retribution for this epic disaster.

[DMT]

It's too bad Biden is a nice guy, because the GOP needs severe retribution for this epic disaster.

Hopefully permanent minority status.

[DMT]

How anyone can look at the job Trump and McConnell have done and still support them is truly mind-boggling. How many bills are sitting on that MFs desk? He's too busy ramming through as many judicial appointments as he can because his only priority is preservation of his power and he knows his time is almost up. It's just so disgusting.

And his Senate colleagues are more than happy to go along for the ride.

[umjewman]

How anyone can look at the job Trump and McConnell have done and still support them is truly mind-boggling. How many bills are sitting on that MFs desk? He's too busy ramming through as many judicial appointments as he can because his only priority is preservation of his power and he knows his time is almost up. It's just so disgusting.

And his Senate colleagues are more than happy to go along for the ride.

I mean, I get it.

If the only thing you really care about is pro-life. I mean, that is your absolute #1 priority - you're going to support the president and party that is going to appoint justices that restrict abortion rights. The rest is just noise and is completely irrelevant. I would wager there are A LOT of people who fall into that category.

I also can see if you were a person who does not follow politics so much and you're used to seeing more polished speakers up there, Trump can be appealing to that group because he talks like a "regular person." I mean, how many times did you want Obama to just speak directly to birthers and be like "what in the actual fuck? Are you fucking serious?" Trump actually does that, and his supporters love him for it.

Also, so many people are going to vote solely based on whether or not their personal life is better than it was four years ago, regardless of everything else. Take Average Joe who does not follow politics. He was unemployed at the tail end of Obama (for whatever reason) but is now employed and can provide for his family - I guarantee that person does not give a rat's ass what Trump tweets or says or any of the repugnant things that he does. He only cares that his personal life is better and will cast a vote for Trump.

I think the left (where I certainly sit politically) consistently shoots itself in the foot by just writing off all Trump supporters as racist. It's not that they're directly racist (though a number of them obviously are), but they're just sweeping it under the rug and focusing on what is important to themselves. It's like the saying I've seen posted everywhere that "it's not enough to be non-racist. You must be anti-racist." As long as racism doesn't directly impact these people, that group of people won't care. Does that make them racist or simply a "non-racist" from the quote who will not be actively "anti-racist"? I mean, I guess it depends on your definition. I know for one that there are many instances where I am only "non-racist" and not "anti-racist" enough.

In conclusion, Trump is a vile excuse for a human and an outright idiot. But I can understand some of his support (maybe not as much as he has, but I can understand it to a degree).

[Gregg]

I mean, I get it.

If the only thing you really care about is pro-life. I mean, that is your absolute #1 priority - you're going to support the president and party that is going to appoint justices that restrict abortion rights. The rest is just noise and is completely irrelevant. I would wager there are A LOT of people who fall into that category.

I also can see if you were a person who does not follow politics so much and you're used to seeing more polished speakers up there, Trump can be appealing to that group because he talks like a "regular person." I mean, how many times did you want Obama to just speak directly to birthers and be like "what in the actual fuck? Are you fucking serious?" Trump actually does that, and his supporters love him for it.

Also, so many people are going to vote solely based on whether or not their personal life is better than it was four years ago, regardless of everything else. Take Average Joe who does not follow politics. He was unemployed at the tail end of Obama (for whatever reason) but is now employed and can provide for his family - I guarantee that person does not give a rat's ass what Trump tweets or says or any of the repugnant things that he does. He only cares that his personal life is better and will cast a vote for Trump.

I think the left (where I certainly sit politically) consistently shoots itself in the foot by just writing off all Trump supporters as racist. It's not that they're directly racist (though a number of them obviously are), but they're just sweeping it under the rug and focusing on what is important to themselves. It's like the saying I've seen posted everywhere that "it's not enough to be non-racist. You must be anti-racist." As long as racism doesn't directly impact these people, that group of people won't care. Does that make them racist or simply a "non-racist" from the quote who will not be actively "anti-racist"? I mean, I guess it depends on your definition. I know for one that there are many instances where I am only "non-racist" and not "anti-racist" enough.

In conclusion, Trump is a vile excuse for a human and an outright idiot. But I can understand some of his support (maybe not as much as he has, but I can understand it to a degree).

This was well said.

I would add that I am sad that politics have become so important that it can justify a reason for hatred from one side to the other. Many Repubs hate Dems for just being Dems. Many Dems hate Repubs for just being Repubs.

Many Dems think Repubs are racist. Many Repubs think Dems are murders.

[DMT]

I mean, I get it.

If the only thing you really care about is pro-life. I mean, that is your absolute #1 priority - you're going to support the president and party that is going to appoint justices that restrict abortion rights. The rest is just noise and is completely irrelevant. I would wager there are A LOT of people who fall into that category.

I also can see if you were a person who does not follow politics so much and you're used to seeing more polished speakers up there, Trump can be appealing to that group because he talks like a "regular person." I mean, how many times did you want Obama to just speak directly to birthers and be like "what in the actual fuck? Are you fucking serious?" Trump actually does that, and his supporters love him for it.

Also, so many people are going to vote solely based on whether or not their personal life is better than it was four years ago, regardless of everything else. Take Average Joe who does not follow politics. He was unemployed at the tail end of Obama (for whatever reason) but is now employed and can provide for his family - I guarantee that person does not give a rat's ass what Trump tweets or says or any of the repugnant things that he does. He only cares that his personal life is better and will cast a vote for Trump.

I think the left (where I certainly sit politically) consistently shoots itself in the foot by just writing off all Trump supporters as racist. It's not that they're directly racist (though a number of them obviously are), but they're just sweeping it under the rug and focusing on what is important to themselves. It's like the saying I've seen posted everywhere that "it's not enough to be non-racist. You must be anti-racist." As long as racism doesn't directly impact these people, that group of people won't care. Does that make them racist or simply a "non-racist" from the quote who will not be actively "anti-racist"? I mean, I guess it depends on your definition. I know for one that there are many instances where I am only "non-racist" and not "anti-racist" enough.

In conclusion, Trump is a vile excuse for a human and an outright idiot. But I can understand some of his support (maybe not as much as he has, but I can understand it to a degree).

Calling them pro-life feeds right into their narrative. They aren't pro-life, they're anti-abortion. They don't give a shit about lives, that's why they excuse Trump's mass murder.

Your example of the person who's now employed because of Trump is a unicorn.

The left waited way too long IMO to call out Trump's racism, which has been glaringly obvious his entire life. White Americans attitudes on race have shifted significantly in the right direction because they've seen Trump's blatant racism and it's helped wake them up to reality.

[umjewman]

Calling them pro-life feeds right into their narrative. They aren't pro-life, they're anti-abortion. They don't give a shit about lives, that's why they excuse Trump's mass murder.

Your example of the person who's now employed because of Trump is a unicorn.

The left waited way too long IMO to call out Trump's racism, which has been glaringly obvious his entire life. White Americans attitudes on race have shifted significantly in the right direction because they've seen Trump's blatant racism and it's helped wake them up to reality.

Fine, call them anti-abortion. But, I still maintain that there is a large subset of his voters do not care at all about anything else. They will vote for whoever will appoint justices that will restrict abortion rights. That, right now, is Trump. The rest is irrelevant, whether it's Trump cheating on his wives, or sexually assaulting women, or whatever.

As far as the unicorn, I wasn't saying it was "because of Trump." But there are certainly people who did not have a job in 2016 who have a job now in 2020. That could be cancelled out by people who were employed in 2016 and are unemployed now, but there are many people who look at elections as something as simple as is my personal life better now than it was in 2016. Again, the rest is irrelevant.

I also think you're discounting the whole "regular person" type of speaking. That does have appeal to many people.

As far as the left not calling out Trump's racism right from the start, I think they tried to point it out, but Democrats always call Republicans racist. McCain was called a racist. Romney was called a racist. I think, to a moderate voter, it loses some sting after multiple elections. On the flip side, the right screaming SOCIALISM about everything is similarly losing its sting with moderate voters. But attitudes are certainly shifting on race, that must is indisputable.

I'm just saying that I find at least a good portion of his support explicable and not mind-boggling, whether or not I vehemently disagree with the basis for the support.

[GwynnInTheHall]

Fine, call them anti-abortion. But, I still maintain that there is a large subset of his voters do not care at all about anything else. They will vote for whoever will appoint justices that will restrict abortion rights. That, right now, is Trump. The rest is irrelevant, whether it's Trump cheating on his wives, or sexually assaulting women, or whatever.

As far as the unicorn, I wasn't saying it was "because of Trump." But there are certainly people who did not have a job in 2016 who have a job now in 2020. That could be cancelled out by people who were employed in 2016 and are unemployed now, but there are many people who look at elections as something as simple as is my personal life better now than it was in 2016. Again, the rest is irrelevant.

I also think you're discounting the whole "regular person" type of speaking. That does have appeal to many people.

As far as the left not calling out Trump's racism right from the start, I think they tried to point it out, but Democrats always call Republicans racist. McCain was called a racist. Romney was called a racist. I think, to a moderate voter, it loses some sting after multiple elections. On the flip side, the right screaming SOCIALISM about everything is similarly losing its sting with moderate voters. But attitudes are certainly shifting on race, that must is indisputable.

I'm just saying that I find at least a good portion of his support explicable and not mind-boggling, whether or not I vehemently disagree with the basis for the support.

If by "regular person" you mean uneducated and ill-informed and /or full of shit. Then I can see your point.

[umjewman]

If by "regular person" you mean uneducated and ill-informed and /or full of shit. Then I can see your point.

I intentionally put "regular person" in quotes. What I basically mean by that is someone who is not a lawyer or who does not have a graduate degree. It's similar to what helped Dubya. Talk like an "average joe." That definitely helped Bush against both Gore and Kerry, who are obviously more polished speakers.

[GwynnInTheHall]

I intentionally put "regular person" in quotes. What I basically mean by that is someone who is not a lawyer or who does not have a graduate degree. It's similar to what helped Dubya. Talk like an "average joe." That definitely helped Bush against both Gore and Kerry, who are obviously more polished speakers.

t's not about speaking ability, it's about having a basic grasp of reality, which todays "Average Joes" have a penchant to ignore if it's inconvenient. I don't want a good guy I'd like to have a beer with teaching my kids or operating on family or running this country FFS. Not ONE guy in here would listen to--Average Joes Roto Tips just cuz he's a cool dude who's not intimidating.

Intelligence can be scary for those who aren't too bright, big words might seem like a put down rather than a challenge to edify yourself.

I want a world where everyone strives to better themselves, to be an asset to society and others. Just gettin by and gettin your own, well to me that's just a waste of resources. Yeah I'm kind of Thanos-esqe.

[umjewman]

t's not about speaking ability, it's about having a basic grasp of reality, which todays "Average Joes" have a penchant to ignore if it's inconvenient. I don't want a good guy I'd like to have a beer with teaching my kids or operating on family or running this country FFS. Not ONE guy in here would listen to--Average Joes Roto Tips just cuz he's a cool dude who's not intimidating.

Intelligence can be scary for those who aren't too bright, big words might seem like a put down rather than a challenge to edify yourself.

I want a world where everyone strives to better themselves, to be an asset to society and others. Just gettin by and gettin your own, well to me that's just a waste of resources. Yeah I'm kind of Thanos-esqe.

I didn't say that I want that. I don't want that at all. I'm saying that A LOT of Trump voters think that way and I understand that so it is not mind-boggling to me that Trump has all this support while he does things that are morally repugnant.

There are quite a few voters who would rather hear "I no talk good" as opposed to "I cannot articulate my position to a reasonable degree of clarity in this instance."

[GwynnInTheHall]

I didn't say that I want that. I don't want that at all. I'm saying that A LOT of Trump voters think that way and I understand that so it is not mind-boggling to me that Trump has all this support while he does things that are morally repugnant.

There are quite a few voters who would rather hear "I no talk good" as opposed to "I cannot articulate my position to a reasonable degree of clarity in this instance."

And yet we let them vote...

[chancellor]

Yeah I'm kind of Thanos-esqe.

But with an SUV.

[GwynnInTheHall]

But with an SUV.

Don't be a drag..........

[Teenwolf]

t's not about speaking ability, it's about having a basic grasp of reality, which todays "Average Joes" have a penchant to ignore if it's inconvenient. I don't want a good guy I'd like to have a beer with teaching my kids or operating on family or running this country FFS. Not ONE guy in here would listen to--Average Joes Roto Tips just cuz he's a cool dude who's not intimidating.

Intelligence can be scary for those who aren't too bright, big words might seem like a put down rather than a challenge to edify yourself.

I want a world where everyone strives to better themselves, to be an asset to society and others. Just gettin by and gettin your own, well to me that's just a waste of resources. Yeah I'm kind of Thanos-esqe.

In terms of polished political speakers, I think Obama was the last one to get elected on traditional political talking points and style over substance that ultimately meant nothing. Democrats are through with traditional messaging, for the most part. If acting Presidential still accrued meaningful political capital, Mayor Puke would have gone further than he did. Biden's brain melting constantly mimics Trump's "off the cuff" appeal.

Kamala will fail hard as the next in line POTUS, so i have some optimism if Biden wins he would pass the baton to an ill-equipped successor and leave the door open for a progressive challenger. Because progressives say the things that make sense to most working class people of all political persuasions who vote much less than wealthier voters, let alone huge support among Democrats, and yet the party and the media both shit all over progressives and actively fight to keep the status quo managers in place. Well, Biden's mumbling and fumbling might seem reassuring now, but if he's unable to deliver materially in this great depression like situation... it won't feel so folksy anymore. I have faith protests can move him, if enough people mobilize.

Joe Kennedy is the latest victim to trust in meaningless platitudes and name value to carry the day, and even with the endorsements of Pelosi and more, the Kennedy still lost. So i have a bit of optimism we've entered a new era.