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  • #31
    Traut and Hammer snaked the two WRs I was looking at and hoping that one would fall to me, but nope...

    Depth is key for me with 3 of the next 9 picks cuz then I don't pick again til rd 5 (then round 9)...gotta make hay while the sun shines
    I always liked Alfonseca and he is twice the pitcher Hall of Famer Mordecai Brown was - cavebird 12-8-05
    You'd be surprised on how much 16 months in a federal pen can motivate you - gashousegang 7-31-06
    "...That said, the hippo will always be the gold standard here" - Heyelander's VD XII avatar analysis of SeaDogStat 1-29-07
    It's surprising that attempts to coordinate large groups of socially retarded people would end in this kind of chaos. - Cobain's Ghost 12-19-07

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    • #32
      Originally posted by eldiablo505
      The track record for running backs who hold out is so horrendous that I've crossed MJD off my list completely unless he fell to insane value territory. I also crossed the major knee injury guys off my list for the same reason --- track records for those dudes coming back, even the elite ones, is terrible.
      Yeah, that was really my worry and why I wanted one of the two WRs... Right now MJD is my 4th RB so I can only hope he doesn't pull a Chris Johnson on me

      I sent Horns the pick list from rd two...
      I always liked Alfonseca and he is twice the pitcher Hall of Famer Mordecai Brown was - cavebird 12-8-05
      You'd be surprised on how much 16 months in a federal pen can motivate you - gashousegang 7-31-06
      "...That said, the hippo will always be the gold standard here" - Heyelander's VD XII avatar analysis of SeaDogStat 1-29-07
      It's surprising that attempts to coordinate large groups of socially retarded people would end in this kind of chaos. - Cobain's Ghost 12-19-07

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      • #33
        Originally posted by eldiablo505
        The track record for running backs who hold out is so horrendous that I've crossed MJD off my list completely unless he fell to insane value territory.
        It's like everyone remembers Emmitt Smith but forgets all the other guys who held out and then didn't play well.

        I don't think MJD will be affected by being out of shape, like Chris Johnson was last year. I do think he'll be affected by being behind the curve on learning a new offense, and by the lack of talent amongst his teammates.
        Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer
        We pinch ran for Altuve specifically to screw over Mith's fantasy team.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by eldiablo505
          Exactly. Smith was a part of the best offense in the league. MJD is part of perhaps the worst.
          Damn you, eld...now I gots buyer's remorse lol

          You need to pick on someone else's selection for now...
          I always liked Alfonseca and he is twice the pitcher Hall of Famer Mordecai Brown was - cavebird 12-8-05
          You'd be surprised on how much 16 months in a federal pen can motivate you - gashousegang 7-31-06
          "...That said, the hippo will always be the gold standard here" - Heyelander's VD XII avatar analysis of SeaDogStat 1-29-07
          It's surprising that attempts to coordinate large groups of socially retarded people would end in this kind of chaos. - Cobain's Ghost 12-19-07

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          • #35
            Originally posted by eldiablo505
            The track record for running backs who hold out is so horrendous that I've crossed MJD off my list completely unless he fell to insane value territory. I also crossed the major knee injury guys off my list for the same reason --- track records for those dudes coming back, even the elite ones, is terrible.
            Well, that's not really true. The results are so different among RB holdouts that there's really no rhyme or reason as to how they're going to perform.

            Eric Dickerson (twice), Emmitt Smith, Shaun Alexander & Marshall Faulk held out for various lengths and upon their return, were as good as gold. The latter three, in fact, had record-breaking seasons after re-signing. Steven Jackson and John Riggins were fine upon their return. Chris Johnson underperformed, but Larry Johnson was awful.

            So it can go one way or another, but it doesn't seem as if the past history is that bad.

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            • #36
              I was out to dinner with an old friend...Pick up in a bit...
              "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
              - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)

              "Your shitty future continues to offend me."
              -Warren Ellis

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              • #37
                Originally posted by eldiablo505
                Uh, John Riggins sat out the entire year. I seriously doubt SDS will benefit if MJD sits out the whole year.

                Eric Dickerson sat out twice. The first time he missed two games (1/8 of the season) and performed at a level far, far below where he was before. His 1986 was horrendous compared to his 1985. The second time he did it, he failed to crack the 1,000 yard mark and never reached that plateau again. Poster child for what I'm asserting.

                Emmit Smith and Marshall Faulk both held out and both kicked ass upon return. What's the common denominator with those two? Two of the truly elite offenses in the NFL. Most definitely NOT the Jacksonville Jaguars.

                Larry Johnson? Totally brutal.

                Steven Jackson wasn't that elite the year before his holdout and wasn't really elite the year of his holdout. I guess it's a draw.

                Chris Johnson? Totally brutal.

                It's already looking like MJD will lose at least one game even if he ends his holdout right this second. And he hasn't showed up yet....

                By my tally, we have two guys that have had great success following a holdout and those two were Hall of Famers involved in two of the most prolific offenses of all time.

                And, again, it's risky but it could pay off really well for SDS. It could also backfire massively. That wasn't a chance I wanted to take but I don't begrudge him for taking it.
                You forgot Shaun Alexander, who had 2700 total yds from scrimmage upon his return.

                But the point isn't about how many games they're going to miss -- at this stage, it's likely MJD will miss at least the first two games of the season. That's a given. If MJD comes back after missing 4 games and plays at his prior level, then that's a risk SDS could afford to take while others couldn't.


                I guess Piney is just forgoing RBs altogether, lol.....

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                • #38
                  Was going to take Wallace because I hate Dallas...even though I was a Houston Oilers fan growing up and had no love (or like) of Pittsburgh either, the Oilers are gone but the Steeler antipathy still remains...it just doesn't burn as brightly because my sister is not a Pittsburgh fan.

                  But, had to go Gris consistency and prognostication here and take the petulant man-child
                  I always liked Alfonseca and he is twice the pitcher Hall of Famer Mordecai Brown was - cavebird 12-8-05
                  You'd be surprised on how much 16 months in a federal pen can motivate you - gashousegang 7-31-06
                  "...That said, the hippo will always be the gold standard here" - Heyelander's VD XII avatar analysis of SeaDogStat 1-29-07
                  It's surprising that attempts to coordinate large groups of socially retarded people would end in this kind of chaos. - Cobain's Ghost 12-19-07

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                  • #39
                    So you're buying into the theory that all of these new rules set up for Bryant will make him less of a knucklehead?
                    Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer
                    We pinch ran for Altuve specifically to screw over Mith's fantasy team.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Erik View Post
                      So you're buying into the theory that all of these new rules set up for Bryant will make him less of a knucklehead?
                      No... he's still and will always be a knucklehead...but I am "hopeful"
                      I always liked Alfonseca and he is twice the pitcher Hall of Famer Mordecai Brown was - cavebird 12-8-05
                      You'd be surprised on how much 16 months in a federal pen can motivate you - gashousegang 7-31-06
                      "...That said, the hippo will always be the gold standard here" - Heyelander's VD XII avatar analysis of SeaDogStat 1-29-07
                      It's surprising that attempts to coordinate large groups of socially retarded people would end in this kind of chaos. - Cobain's Ghost 12-19-07

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by SeaDogStat View Post
                        Was going to take Wallace because I hate Dallas...even though I was a Houston Oilers fan growing up and had no love (or like) of Pittsburgh either, the Oilers are gone but the Steeler antipathy still remains...it just doesn't burn as brightly because my sister is not a Pittsburgh fan.

                        But, had to go Gris consistency and prognostication here and take the petulant man-child
                        Wallace wasn't even on my radar until this morning. Dez is definitely one of those high risk/high reward guys. There's no doubt he plays hard. Just needs to stay healthy and out of jail.

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                        • #42
                          Man...can't believe I have to wait 21 selections before my next pick...this sucks!! Why is this draft so slow!?! [/Mith]



                          I always liked Alfonseca and he is twice the pitcher Hall of Famer Mordecai Brown was - cavebird 12-8-05
                          You'd be surprised on how much 16 months in a federal pen can motivate you - gashousegang 7-31-06
                          "...That said, the hippo will always be the gold standard here" - Heyelander's VD XII avatar analysis of SeaDogStat 1-29-07
                          It's surprising that attempts to coordinate large groups of socially retarded people would end in this kind of chaos. - Cobain's Ghost 12-19-07

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                          • #43
                            Not crazy about going with Gore (though it ain't too bad for a flex) but man do the RB ranks start to thin out quick at this point. It's a bunch of lottery tickets now and I figured with my favorite WR off the board before my pick (Harvin especially) I had to do it. We're definitely in a frightening part of the draft where people are taking the big talent big question WR (Bryant, Wallace) and the cringe when you pick them backs (Bradshaw, Gore). This is such an odd drafting season.

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                            • #44
                              I was hoping to get Gore and you snaked him from me.

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                              • #45
                                Just got back to the computer. Pick up in a few minutes.
                                Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer
                                We pinch ran for Altuve specifically to screw over Mith's fantasy team.

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