Super Bowl XLIX Thread

[Papa Deuce]

Well, I did not watch even 20 seconds of it..... my family had the food in the family room, so only when I went in to get some food, did I even see any of it..... supposedly it was quite a good game according to my buddy who texted me.

[GwynnInTheHall]

Hate the patriots.

Not fond of the hawks.


LOVE my Pats 8 Hawks 4 for $100 tonight!!

[madducks]

Funniest quote i've read so far about the "play call" was from another forum:
"I wouldn't even call that play in Madden."

[The Feral Slasher]

I thought Seattle was significantly outmanned vs GB and a gimpy Aaron Rodgers, too, as well as tonite.

If you take that POV, you notice that Carroll coached that way in both games. I think he was right, and it got him to pull one out of his arse vs a better but cowardly GB team and he mad-gambled that 2nd TD in the 1st half tonite. He brilliantly pulled a "out of nowhere" receiver in this game knowing that he couldn't compete straight-up.

Did he make one risk too many on the losing play? Ok. But I think no other coach gets them that close. They struggled against a QB-less STL with a 1 vs 6 seed on line in Week 17, struggled vs another losing CAR team in the playoffs, and got dominated by GB until McCarthy curled his team into a ball. I think Carroll played a losing hand brilliantly for a month, and if he hit on 15 too many times, well, he didn't have a great hand.

I just love reading your "analysis". The Seahawks won the last Superbowl and lost this one on what everyone is acknowledges was a crappy play call. But they are really just a crappy team led by a brilliant coach. I think most people saw an evenly played game that New England won when they made the last big play, but I'm glad you gave me the real story.

[dslaw]

I liked how all the 'experts' jumped over the call at the end of the game but said nothing about the 2 yard TD pass in the 3rd quarter. Even a 'it worked but I think they should have run the ball there' would have enabled them to criticize the last play. Instead we got how the receiver used the ref to pick Revis and it was a great route.

The 4th quarter pass made more sense to me than the 3rd quarter pass. If I am right Seattle only had 1 time out left. If they run and don't make it they have to call the last time out or hurry up and line up and run another play without the huddle. If they call their last timeout it almost means they have to pass on 3rd down as a run that doesn't make it means they have to hurry up and lineup and run it again on 4th down. Maybe they don't even get a play off and have no chance to score. Of course, if they had 2 time outs left none of this matters. Even with all that it was a good play by Butler. It was a TD if Butler gets picked or doesn't make that play like he did.

[nullnor]

Hate the patriots.

Not fond of the hawks.


LOVE my Pats 8 Hawks 4 for $100 tonight!!

you played the middle? so it was SEA -2. that's an elite move.

I kind of like Lynch. he just does odd things. like in the GB game after scoring a touchdown and was about to get piled on with congrats, he stuck out his arm and said no, then shook hands. good RB's march to the beat of their own drum. stubbornness, it's what makes a good RB. also, afraid to say something that can be twisted or misunderstood is also a sign of a rounded character.

also, about the final play, I don't fault SEA; as much. not that they would've gotten negative yards even against the most stout NE goal line formation, but imagine if they did? I think it was the INDY vs CLE game this year where CLE was in the same situation as NE. do they let them score quickly and try to come back, do they try to hold them. maybe it was a different CLE game a lot of them were like that. and they had a worse run defense than NE. not by much tho. but they almost stopped them.

SEA had NE in every position they wanted for that pass. Revis went to cover Baldwin so they knew it was man coverage, their other WR set a legal pick. Malcolm Butler had supreme play recognition. no-one intercepts the ball on a play like that at the goal line. or sometimes they do, but rookies don't in the superbowl. they went after the rookie, and he ended up being superman. put a red cape on the guy. im happy for him. he's got to be the happiest guy in the world this morning. never do you see one guy in a situation like that save his entire team with one play.

and he gave up that pass to Kearse. it's like baseball where a player makes an error then comes up to bat and hits a HR. it should be a theory, don't go after a guy that just gave up a big play. but the first problem was calling the play, the 2nd was not throwing the ball low, the third was the WR not protecting the ball better. but then the way the WR got knocked down, it's hard to fault him as much.

also if you dislike both teams you couldn't ask for a better finish. the final minute, tons of controversy. to wit, who was going to choke first. it's even reminds me about London Fletchers rant about Jim Haslett, how he'd be in the huddle and be like did they really call that play? and then change it and then afterwards goto the sideline to find out if they really did. did that happen in the SEA huddle before that play? what were the players thinking as it was happening?

Malcolm Butler was superman. it's hard to dislike an undrafted FA pulling everyone's ass on NE out of the fire like that. football is meant to create heroes. and this was a good example.

[madducks]

Tweets from NFL players about the call.

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/...n-interception

Emmit Smith: "That was the worst play call I've seen in the history of football."

Golden Tate: "If I'm Marshawn I'm livid."

[madducks]

This is where you throw an end zone pass in the final minute of the Super Bowl. Not across the middle in heavy traffic. Notice that the only person who can reach the ball is the receiver.

[nullnor]

that one yard sometimes..

[nullnor]

I usually like original movies, but I liked the music from that movie. it's a good soundtrack.

[Judge Jude]

"But they are really just a crappy team led by a brilliant coach."

I don't think they are a crappy team, but everyone is entitled to their opinion. Well, except me, you have decided.

[The Feral Slasher]

"But they are really just a crappy team led by a brilliant coach."

I don't think they are a crappy team, but everyone is entitled to their opinion. Well, except me, you have decided.

I guess if I disagree with you then I've apparently decided you are not entitled to an opinion ? I just don't agree with your opinions.

The Seahawks won 9 of their last 10 games in the regular season, and then two playoff games. Do you really think Carroll thought his team was so outmanned that he had to gamble to win ? That just strikes me as absurd. I just can't figure out how a coach could bring the defending Super Bowl Champions into a big game and not have confidence in them.

And I don't understand why you are so convinced Green Bay is significantly better than Seattle. Seattle "struggled" against the Rams and Panthers (winning both games by 2 TD's or more) but didn't Green Bay just lose to Buffalo in a game that would have clinched the one seed ?

Anyway, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I'll admit I could have been more respectful in my orignal response, so I apologize for that.

[The Feral Slasher]

A bunch of risky play calls worked out for the Seahawks even to be in that position. I guess Pete Carroll went to that well once too often but let's not get all hyperbolic about how it was the worst call of all time. It just didn't work out (unlike the bunch of risky calls previous).

I agree it is kind of pointless to start calling it the worst call of all time. But it sure seems like it was an unneccessary risk. Why not just take one shot at it with Lynch or fake to Lynch and roll out ? Still had a timeout left and would have had two chances to pass if needed. I guess what I dislike most about it was throwing it into the middle of the field, but you do have to hand it to Butler that was an amazing play on defense.

[revo]

you played the middle? so it was SEA -2. that's an elite move.

Sounds like he's talking about hitting a Super Bowl box with the final score.

A bunch of risky play calls worked out for the Seahawks even to be in that position. I guess Pete Carroll went to that well once too often but let's not get all hyperbolic about how it was the worst call of all time. It just didn't work out (unlike the bunch of risky calls previous).

There aren't too many other play calls in NFL history where a championship was literally snatched right out of a team's hands. If the Seahawks were on the 10-yd line, or the 5-yd line, fine. But on the 1-yd line with three downs left, with one of the best RBs in the NFC? If it worked out he would've been a genius, but that's the chance you take when you employ a high-risk play.


What's also sad is that Jermaine Kearse's circus catch will now be lost to history rather than being included as one of the most important Super Bowl catches of all time, up there with Swann, Tyree, Holmes and Manningham.

[Judge Jude]

I guess if I disagree with you then I've apparently decided you are not entitled to an opinion ? I just don't agree with your opinions.

The Seahawks won 9 of their last 10 games in the regular season, and then two playoff games. Do you really think Carroll thought his team was so outmanned that he had to gamble to win ? That just strikes me as absurd. I just can't figure out how a coach could bring the defending Super Bowl Champions into a big game and not have confidence in them.

And I don't understand why you are so convinced Green Bay is significantly better than Seattle. Seattle "struggled" against the Rams and Panthers (winning both games by 2 TD's or more) but didn't Green Bay just lose to Buffalo in a game that would have clinched the one seed ?

Anyway, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I'll admit I could have been more respectful in my orignal response, so I apologize for that.

fair enough. just didn't seem like the first time that you seemed to more than just disagree with my opinion; have been confused by the previous hostility. but maybe I misunderstood. it happens.