ike davis to pirates

[bryanbutler]

in exchange for zack thornton and a PTBNL.

[Pogues]

Does Davis get more playing time as a result?

[Hornsby]

Unless the PTBNL is a top rated prospect, the Mets got hosed. Too anxious to get rid of Ike, I think that there's a lot left there once he gets out of NYC.

[kawaise]

in exchange for zack thornton and a PTBNL.

In a true 1b platoon this year for the Pirates Ishikawa has 1 HR, 3 RBI in 33 ABs (.212/.270/.664 this year; .260/.324/.721 for career ). Ishikawa signed a minor league deal during the off-season. Gabby Sanchez has 3 HR, 5 RBI in 37 ABs (.259/.310/.977 this year; .258/.337/.754 for career). Sanchez is set to make $2.3 mil this year and is arb. eligible next year. Both players are 30 years old.

Davis had 1 HR and 5 RBI in 24 ABs for the Mets (.208/.367/.742 this year - .242/.334/.768 for career). Davis will make $3.5 mil this year, and will arb eligible next season; he's 27 years old.

It looks like a small upgrade for the Bucs over Ishikawa; I see nothing but a platoon with Sanchez, though.

[fuhrdog]

Unless the PTBNL is a top rated prospect, the Mets got hosed. Too anxious to get rid of Ike, I think that there's a lot left there once he gets out of NYC.

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[revo]

In a true 1b platoon this year for the Pirates Ishikawa has 1 HR, 3 RBI in 33 ABs (.212/.270/.664 this year; .260/.324/.721 for career ). Ishikawa signed a minor league deal during the off-season. Gabby Sanchez has 3 HR, 5 RBI in 37 ABs (.259/.310/.977 this year; .258/.337/.754 for career). Sanchez is set to make $2.3 mil this year and is arb. eligible next year. Both players are 30 years old.

Davis had 1 HR and 5 RBI in 24 ABs for the Mets (.208/.367/.742 this year - .242/.334/.768 for career). Davis will make $3.5 mil this year, and will arb eligible next season; he's 27 years old.

It looks like a small upgrade for the Bucs over Ishikawa; I see nothing but a platoon with Sanchez, though.

Davis also hit 32 HRs in a season, and his rookie year hit .264 with 19 HRs. Ishikawa is a journeyman. Now if Davis is the player he was last year, I'd agree. But for now, I still believe Ike represents a huge upgrade over Ishikawa.

[Hornsby]

Well, they have to play defense, too. That makes it much, much closer.

Frankly, I think Davis sucks and wouldn't give up anything of value to get him, especially in a walk year. I guess you might as well roll the dice if you're not giving up much but he's really far from the kind of player you'd give up a "significant" PTBNL for.

True...he has to prove that he's at least a shadow of the player that he was...some of the speculation by Met Fans in the twitter feed are hilarious. One guy is convinced that the PTBNL is Austin Meadows...LOL.

[mjl]

well, the Mets can't be trading for yet another pitching prospect, can they? It's not Meadows, it's not Polanco... actually, Alen Hanson makes a lot of sense. The Mets need a shortstop.

[Kevin Seitzer]

Davis is under club control for 2014, 2015 and 2016.

[kawaise]

If the Pirates give a prospect of Hanson's caliber to the Mets for a few months of Ike freakin' Davis, they should be slapped across their collective faces for the rest of eternity.

[frae]

well, the Mets can't be trading for yet another pitching prospect, can they? It's not Meadows, it's not Polanco... actually, Alen Hanson makes a lot of sense. The Mets need a shortstop.

If the PTBNL is anything more than a lottery ticket I will be shocked. When are teams allowed to trade 2013 draftees? I would imagine it is someone from that class is we have not reached that point yet.

[ThatRogue]

If the Pirates give a prospect of Hanson's caliber to the Mets for a few months of Ike freakin' Davis, they should be slapped across their collective faces for the rest of eternity.

If the PTBNL is anything more than a lottery ticket I will be shocked. When are teams allowed to trade 2013 draftees? I would imagine it is someone from that class is we have not reached that point yet.

Really? I'm going to have to disagree with you both. Hanson is a decent prospect, but not an elite level talent. He projects to an average-to-slightly-above average SS at the major league level, unless his development curve hits a completely unforeseen acceleration. Ike Davis HAS hit 30 HR at the major league level, back in 2012. He is under team control for several seasons and the Pirates don't have a decent 1B prospect in the high minors (Unless I missed the potential 25 - 30 HR hitting, LH 1B prospect in the Pirates system). For a team ready to win now, Davis has incredible upside at a very low cost, whereas Hanson IS a lottery ticket that may not even stick at SS. The Mets mismanaged the situation and may have sold too low.

[frae]

Hanson is a top 10 organizational prospect, here is Sickels short writeup on him...


7) Alen Hanson, SS, Grade B: Borderline B+. Had some plate discipline issues after moving up to Double-A and questions persist about his defense and use of his speed on the bases, but even at second base his combination of youth and offensive ability should give him a good shot at being a productive regular.


I don't expect the PTBNL to be anything much, the Mets were barely playing the guy and Gaby has been hitting, surprisingly well for the Pirates. I complain a lot about things the Pirates do, but giving up good prospects is not one of them. We will see though.

[ThatRogue]

Hanson is a top 10 organizational prospect, here is Sickels short writeup on him...


7) Alen Hanson, SS, Grade B: Borderline B+. Had some plate discipline issues after moving up to Double-A and questions persist about his defense and use of his speed on the bases, but even at second base his combination of youth and offensive ability should give him a good shot at being a productive regular.


I don't expect the PTBNL to be anything much, the Mets were barely playing the guy and Gaby has been hitting, surprisingly well for the Pirates. I complain a lot about things the Pirates do, but giving up good prospects is not one of them. We will see though.

That's just it. A very productive second baseman is one that plays solid defense and hits .275 (.335 OBP) with 16 HRs (that's off the top of my head without specific stats to support it). Ike Davis has the potential to have a similar OBP with double the HRs, and subsequent impact on the other counting stats.

He ranks among the Pirates top ten prospects according to BA (6th), BP (8th), and BBHQ (5th). Yet all of them view him as having the potential to become an average to slightly above average middle infielder...not as a budding star. Which is still good, as every team needs a quality second baseman (few think he'll really stick as SS), but not so good that he's above being traded for a first baseman that has proven (in spurts) to be a serious power threat with decent on-base skills.

Granted, neither I nor the Pirates know that Davis WILL get back to being that threat...but if they get off dealing a MR and a lower-tier prospect to find out, then it's the Mets front office that needs to be flogged (paraphrasing a bit from El D's take on the deal).

[ThatRogue]

Yeah, Hanson is a very good prospect at a premium position. Ike Davis is not a very good anything.

We'll just have to agree to disagree...