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Originally posted by cavebird View PostThat all being said, Hamilton is fast, but I think it could screw him; he's been promoted way before his bat is ready because: (1) minor league defenses aren't that good so he gets a lot more hits with his legs than he will in the majors; and (2) he keeps setting records for steals which get him promoted before he should be. He can be a solid major-leaguer and fantasy absolute stud with just a little bit of bat, but I haven't seen anything that says he is ready for a major league job other than what he had last September: basically Charlie O'Finley's designated runner."Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
"Your shitty future continues to offend me."
-Warren Ellis
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Originally posted by Hornsby View PostCan't agree with this at all...the kid paid his dues in the minors with over 2200 plate appearances over 5 seasons. He's got a pretty good batting eye with a .350 OBP, and he's a little more than a Ben Revere with a bit of pop in in bat on rare occasions. And by all reports he's worked hard to turn himself into a pretty decent defensive player as well. I think that once the jitters settle down, he'll be just fine. I wish that I owned him in ANY league,2021 Auction Anatomy
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Originally posted by ThatRogue View PostAfter yesterday's performance (and a few more like it), you might be able to make that wish happen relatively cheaply. If this continues, I imagine that someone in contention might consider swapping Hamilton for someone like Revere...and you might want to plant those seeds ASAP (if you truly believe he will be a 60+ SB/100+ Runs type of player)."Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
"Your shitty future continues to offend me."
-Warren Ellis
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Originally posted by eldiablo505Absolutely agree. It's hard for me to remember a more overhyped player than Hamilton in recent years. Maybe Delmon Young? Hamilton hasn't shown me anything besides the ability to steal bases. While that's pretty exciting for roto purposes, it's decidedly less valuable for real baseball purposes. I think what we saw last year in AAA (.258/.308/.343) is what this kid really is when he's exposed to anything but sub-par competition. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he gets demoted within two months.
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Originally posted by eldiablo505Absolutely agree. It's hard for me to remember a more overhyped player than Hamilton in recent years. Maybe Delmon Young? Hamilton hasn't shown me anything besides the ability to steal bases. While that's pretty exciting for roto purposes, it's decidedly less valuable for real baseball purposes. I think what we saw last year in AAA (.258/.308/.343) is what this kid really is when he's exposed to anything but sub-par competition. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he gets demoted within two months.
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Originally posted by james33 View PostThat's the crazy thing about owning him - this wouldn't surprise me at all either. But it also wouldn't surprise me at all to see him finish the year in the bigs with 650 PAs, a .240 BA, and 80 SB. So which scenario plays out, which is more likely? For this year only, in a redraft league, I'd absolutely rather have the near sure thing of Ben Revere. But for a keeper league, the Hamilton potential is too enticing to trade for cheap.
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Originally posted by Gregg View PostOh, I don't think you havd to trade him cheap (yet). You could probably get some good stuff for him if you shopped him in the next week or so.
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Originally posted by james33 View PostI should've clarified that in a 12 team NL-only redraft league, I'd slightly rather have Revere than Hamilton. A near sure thing to hit ok and steal 35-40 bases vs. a potential 80+ SB season or a potential nothing. But in a keeper league or in something like a 15 team Mixed League, I'd much much much rather have Hamilton
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Originally posted by Hornsby View PostCan't agree with this at all...the kid paid his dues in the minors with over 2200 plate appearances over 5 seasons. He's got a pretty good batting eye with a .350 OBP, and he's a little more than a Ben Revere with a bit of pop in in bat on rare occasions. And by all reports he's worked hard to turn himself into a pretty decent defensive player as well. I think that once the jitters settle down, he'll be just fine. I wish that I owned him in ANY league,
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Originally posted by cavebird View PostAs a guy drafted out of high school, five years isn't that long in the minors. How many other guys do you know who have been basically given a starting job in the majors after playing a full season at AAA and posting a .651 OPS? Translate that to the majors, and you are looking at an OPS under .600. How long can the Reds live with that? His defense has seemed fine after they gave up on him as a shortstop, but you have to hit more than that, even with speed."Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
"Your shitty future continues to offend me."
-Warren Ellis
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Originally posted by Hornsby View Post5 years is plenty long, and a full season at AAA is also plenty of time. In fact, there are organizations that prefer that their better prospects make the jump with as little AAA experience as possible. I've read that there's a belief that sometimes expose to the older guys in AAA isn't all that beneficial, and might be actually be detrimental to their development. Ben Revere, who seems to be the guy that people point to as to what Hamilton SHOULD hope to be, has a career OPS of .655. It's not all that important to a guy like Hamilton...would more power be nice? sure, but it's the OBP that matters with a player like him. And as long as Hamilton has an OBP north of .325 or so, he'll have a full time job for as long as he can run.
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Originally posted by cavebird View PostIf he's around .325, he's Vince Coleman; great for fantasy, not so great for real baseball. If he can get to .350, then he's a seriously good offensive weapon. But if he only OBP's .308 in AAA last year, how much can we realistically expect in the majors?"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
"Your shitty future continues to offend me."
-Warren Ellis
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Originally posted by eldiablo505Uh, the competition those "good" numbers were against was absolutely nothing like major league competition. Look what happened when he faced the AAAA guys --- .308 OBP. His "career" numbers are meaningless.
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Originally posted by eldiablo505Uh, the competition those "good" numbers were against was absolutely nothing like major league competition. Look what happened when he faced the AAAA guys --- .308 OBP. His "career" numbers are meaningless."Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
"Your shitty future continues to offend me."
-Warren Ellis
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