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we have cockeyed optimists convinced we can plow through unscathed - and nervous nellies who think it's the end of the world.
in the real world - we just don't know. and that's the one thing that people seem to most hate to admit. so the extremes dominate the conversation.
acknowledgements of uncertainty are very healthful, I think.finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84
SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
C Stallings 2, Casali 1
1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1
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Originally posted by Judge Jude View Postwe have cockeyed optimists convinced we can plow through unscathed - and nervous nellies who think it's the end of the world.
in the real world - we just don't know. and that's the one thing that people seem to most hate to admit. so the extremes dominate the conversation.
acknowledgements of uncertainty are very healthful, I think.
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Originally posted by cavebird View PostSo close, relatively, and now MLB won't counter. MLBPA will go back to let us know where and when, and then the owners have to decide whether to impose or just cancel the season. Bleck.
I'm beginning to think that there might not be a season until after 2022...I hate the owners. Yes, just the owners. The players have such a short career window I don't begrudge them a penny of the pot of gold. It's like in the movies...people pay to see the star so an enormous salary is justified, they don't car who the producer is, and they probably take home as much or more than the actors."Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
"Your shitty future continues to offend me."
-Warren Ellis
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Yep, I don't understand the "both sides" mindset.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by Hornsby View PostI really can't get any clear information as to whether the owners get to keep the National TV money regardless if there's a season or not. I can't imagine that they do get to keep it, but I also can't see any reason NOT to go with a limited season if that kind of money is at stake.
I'm beginning to think that there might not be a season until after 2022...I hate the owners. Yes, just the owners. The players have such a short career window I don't begrudge them a penny of the pot of gold. It's like in the movies...people pay to see the star so an enormous salary is justified, they don't car who the producer is, and they probably take home as much or more than the actors.
"Most contracts signed with the National Basketball Association and Major League Baseball don’t have clear provisions for media networks to demand refunds on already paid broadcast rights fees, according to familiar with the language of the contracts. While deals do have so-called “force majeure” provisions, or “act of God” clauses that allow for refunds in some cases, pandemics may not be specifically covered.
Even if they are, networks might not enforce them given the long-term importance of their relationships with sports leagues. In the past, when strikes have shortened seasons, media payments for broadcast rights haven’t been refunded. Networks can’t afford to be too aggressive with the NFL and MLB, who can make or break media companies by divvying out their rights to competitors."
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Andrew Cuomo
@NYGovCuomo
As we wait on a decision from the @MLB on the baseball season, I'm excited to announce that the @Yankees
and the @Mets will resume their training here in New York for the first time in years. NY will review the teams' plans to make sure the trainings are safe.
12:45 PM · Jun 20, 2020finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84
SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
C Stallings 2, Casali 1
1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1
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Originally posted by Judge Jude View PostAndrew Cuomo
@NYGovCuomo
As we wait on a decision from the @MLB on the baseball season, I'm excited to announce that the @Yankees
and the @Mets will resume their training here in New York for the first time in years. NY will review the teams' plans to make sure the trainings are safe.
12:45 PM · Jun 20, 2020
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Originally posted by revo View PostPlayers waiting a couple of days to vote on the proposal due to the virus surging among the teams.
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Originally posted by DMT View PostYep, I don't understand the "both sides" mindset.
Where the “share” comes in for me is it seems clear to me the union is also negotiating the next CBA in this negotiation. It seems clear they are pissed about the last several contracts and the owners collusion during free agency and are using that to get as many games as possible which to them only means as much money as possible. Also, they both share in the total lack of perspective of the fans and the crisis. With millions out of work, millions more taking wage cuts or working 3 or 4 days a week instead of 5 which is a pay cut I would hope the players would be willing to find common ground without regard to the next CBA. It seems both sides have to “win” the negotiations and I resent that especially given the current situation.
I do think baseball is dying a slow death. Both sides are missing an opportunity to increase a younger fan base. And even more importantly to me, they both are missing an opportunity to make a statement towards racial equality. In a sport with perhaps the most racist past, how great would it be for baseball to step up and play. Using their status as the only game in town
to give hope and draw attention during a medical and racial crisis would have been a grand slam for baseball.
The greedy owners need the greedy players and the greedy players need the greedy owners.
They both seem to forget that they both need us passionate fans.
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Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports that the MLBPA will take a vote Sunday on whether to accept MLB's proposal of a 60-game season with full prorated pay.
Nightengale reported Saturday that the players would wait on a vote as they gather more safety and health information in light of the recent rash of positive COVID-19 test results at spring training sites. However, he's now hearing that they have reversed course and will make a decision Sunday. It appears at this point that the negotiating between the two sides is over and we should have a resolution of some sort before long.
SOURCE: Bob Nightengale on Twitter
Jun 21, 2020, 10:57 AM ET
They'd better make this a good father's day for all of us!!!!
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Originally posted by cavebird View PostI find it doubtful that they would accept. It would be caving in at this point.
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