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Last edited by Judge Jude; 01-25-2015, 08:50 PM.finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84
SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
C Stallings 2, Casali 1
1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1
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Originally posted by Judge Jude View PostI liked the old, "none of us has all the right answers" KS better
I understand why if someone thought it was a significant contributor to the decline in offense, why they might want to change the rules for that reason. But of course it's not a significant contributor to the decline in offense.
And if people say they miss seeing Adam Dunn or Big Papi hit a groundball single into right field, and that's a big deal for their enjoyment of baseball, I don't believe them."Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"
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That's a very well-reasoned response that doesn't insult anybody, for which I thank you.finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84
SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
C Stallings 2, Casali 1
1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1
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if you don't like the shift, hit away from it!"You know what's wrong with America? If I lovingly tongue a woman's nipple in a movie, it gets an "NC-17" rating, if I chop it off with a machete, it's an "R". That's what's wrong with America, man...."--Dennis Hopper
"One should judge a man mainly from his depravities. Virtues can be faked. Depravities are real." -- Klaus Kinski
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Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer View PostConstantly moving your fielders around to where they think the ball will go--that's annoying. They should play where Honus Wagner thought Ty Cobb would hit the mush ball they played with in 1900, for gosh sakes.I'm just here for the baseball.
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As I think about this, one thing that occurred to me is that fielder positioning is something that really doesn't come across well on television. Mostly you don't see it. And when you see the effects of it, unless you are attuned to it, you will miss it. When the shortstop dives and stops that screaming line drive up the middle and throws the guy out at first, why was he able to get to that ball in the first place? Usually on TV it just gets pointed out when the defense is doing an extreme shift with an infielder in short right field on a guy like Big Papi, but there is a lot more that goes into it on a play-by-play and pitch-by-pitch basis than that. At the ballpark, if you are watching, you can follow what the infield is doing, and it's actually a lot of fun to think along with them.
Depending on your vantage point, it can be a little tougher to follow what the outfield is doing, and the meaning isn't always so obvious (e.g., the center fielder usually plays a few steps the opposite way--why is that?), but there is quite a game going on throughout the whole game with the infield for the dozen or so teams that put a lot of work into this, and it can tell you what kind of hitter they think the opposing hitter is, what kind of threat to bunt he is, how fast he is or what kind of power threat, and so forth. When a runner is on first, to what extent are the middle infielders pinching toward second to facilitate the double play? If the team is putting three infielders on one side, are the positioning a little out of their ordinary shift in order try to maintain the double play? If a runner is on second base, where is the third baseman playing to try to prevent him from stealing third? Is the shortstop taking advantage of his position right behind the runner to try to creep in and pick him off or to shorten up his lead?
There is all sorts of stuff that goes on all the time on the infield, and to me, unique positioning just adds another element to all of that. Infielders and their coaches have to think about all of that, and it is fun to try to think along with them and see if you can understand what they are doing."Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"
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finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84
SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
C Stallings 2, Casali 1
1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1
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Eliminating shifts from baseball, forcing them to play in a particular formation? That's like the NFL adopting rules stating teams can only line up in an I-formation with 2 wide receivers, one to each side of the line and the defense can only line up in a 4-3 defense with the corners within 3 yards of the line and the safeties within 15 yards of the line of scrimmage.
I don't care if a team decides to take the 7 fielders, surround the pitchers mound in a half-moon, and do jumping jacks when the pitch is being thrown. If a team thinks lining up their fielders in a particular formation is beneficial, let them try it.
This is just more baseball purist bullshit.Considering his only baseball post in the past year was bringing up a 3 year old thread to taunt Hornsby and he's never contributed a dime to our hatpass, perhaps?
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Originally posted by eldiablo505Isn't it about time for the designated fielder? I mean, half of these chumps trip over their own feet in the field! Would you rather see Adam Dunn fleeb about in the outfield or mash dingers? Amirite??? Guys???????I'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert...
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Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer View PostAs I think about this, one thing that occurred to me is that fielder positioning is something that really doesn't come across well on television. Mostly you don't see it. And when you see the effects of it, unless you are attuned to it, you will miss it. When the shortstop dives and stops that screaming line drive up the middle and throws the guy out at first, why was he able to get to that ball in the first place? Usually on TV it just gets pointed out when the defense is doing an extreme shift with an infielder in short right field on a guy like Big Papi, but there is a lot more that goes into it on a play-by-play and pitch-by-pitch basis than that. At the ballpark, if you are watching, you can follow what the infield is doing, and it's actually a lot of fun to think along with them.
Depending on your vantage point, it can be a little tougher to follow what the outfield is doing, and the meaning isn't always so obvious (e.g., the center fielder usually plays a few steps the opposite way--why is that?), but there is quite a game going on throughout the whole game with the infield for the dozen or so teams that put a lot of work into this, and it can tell you what kind of hitter they think the opposing hitter is, what kind of threat to bunt he is, how fast he is or what kind of power threat, and so forth. When a runner is on first, to what extent are the middle infielders pinching toward second to facilitate the double play? If the team is putting three infielders on one side, are the positioning a little out of their ordinary shift in order try to maintain the double play? If a runner is on second base, where is the third baseman playing to try to prevent him from stealing third? Is the shortstop taking advantage of his position right behind the runner to try to creep in and pick him off or to shorten up his lead?
There is all sorts of stuff that goes on all the time on the infield, and to me, unique positioning just adds another element to all of that. Infielders and their coaches have to think about all of that, and it is fun to try to think along with them and see if you can understand what they are doing.
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Better enforcement of the strike zone would do more for offense than anything with shifting. I'm not saying balls & strikes are easy, but by the computers, umps made incorrect calls 11.5% of the time. The overall range was from 85.6 to 91% of the time according to the proprietary portal I'm looking at. Many of those incorrect calls are on lefties to the outer edge of the zone
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Originally posted by Moonlight J View PostBetter enforcement of the strike zone would do more for offense than anything with shifting. I'm not saying balls & strikes are easy, but by the computers, umps made incorrect calls 11.5% of the time. The overall range was from 85.6 to 91% of the time according to the proprietary portal I'm looking at. Many of those incorrect calls are on lefties to the outer edge of the zoneIf DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
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Originally posted by Pogues View PostI don't care if a team decides to take the 7 fielders, surround the pitchers mound in a half-moon, and do jumping jacks when the pitch is being thrown. If a team thinks lining up their fielders in a particular formation is beneficial, let them try it.
This is just more baseball purist bullshit.It certainly feels that way. But I'm distrustful of that feeling and am curious about evidence.
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Originally posted by DMT View PostWhat about balls below the knees? I remember reading that the low strike has increased substantially.
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