Romney picks his VP?

[cardboardbox]

I'm not sure about that, but it seems clear to me that anyone who is truly a fiscal conservative could not vote for Romney. He does not have a fiscally conservative plan for the economy, just a pandering package of tax cuts for the rich, spending cuts and deregulation.

The desire to cut taxes for the wealthy while indiscriminately cutting spending doesn't make one a fiscal conservative. It does show an ignorance of history and economics.

I checked Romney's plan and its a 20% tax cut for everyone, not just the wealthy. I'm assuming you'd like that tax cut for everyone but the usual $250k+ earners?

If lowering taxes and reducing govt spending isnt at least on the path to being a fiscal conservative, please explain to me what is.

[nots]

nice try on "your side" but I'd vote for anyone I thought was good for our economic future. If President Romney wasnt getting the job done and the dems put up a reasonably moderate candidate with a sound economic plan I'd vote for the dem.

Fair enough.
Do you think Gov Romney is 'good for our economic future'?

[nots]

And based upon voting records, Paul Ryan fits right in there with the far right - very close to Michele Bachmann.

Hmmm--not sure I can go there with you Lucky. Bachmann is much more into social conservatism than fiscal conservatism, whereas Ryan is the opposite. Plus he voted for the auto bailout, which (at least on that issue) puts him at odds with the very far right. Plus, Bachmann has a treasure trove of flat out nutty quotes and theories. Ryan seems pretty grounded and very bright.

[Roto Rooter]

can you imagine what would happen if romney said this? It wouldnt blow over in a day like it will with biden.

There'd be protests, riots and calls for dropping out of the race.

[Mithrandir]

There'd be protests, riots and calls for dropping out of the race.

yeah right. Only one side does that BS.. Face it, the GOP and the Dem's operate from the same playbook. You don't admit that, you're a fool.

[cardboardbox]

Fair enough.
Do you think Gov Romney is 'good for our economic future'?

I'm certain there are parts I disagree with but overall, yes I think the plan looks good. Romney wants to cap spending at 20% of GDP, below 2008 levels but in line with where we usually have been.



I'm actually not for reducing taxes all that much because I'd like to balance the budget quickly and then run a surplus to begin paying off the debt. My plan would be more like, go back to Clinton income tax rates and cut spending by 2x the amount of new tax revenue. I'm not sure if thats a great plan because obviously higher taxes isnt good for the economy but I worry about how constantly lowering taxes doesnt really fit in with eventually running a surplus.

[Roto Rooter]

yeah right. Only one side does that BS.. Face it, the GOP and the Dem's operate from the same playbook. You don't admit that, you're a fool.

Ha instead of condemning what he says you go to the liberal party line of it's okay they all do it.

[OaklandA's]

"Because it shows who you're replying to?"

- usually it's to the person who just posted
- if not, I'll reference who made the post
- that is, unless who posted it seems irrelevant

even mavericks have systems!

my version is better than the people who copy-block long bits of text, yet they seem to get a pass.

For the record, I think your version is terrible.

[Mithrandir]

Ha instead of condemning what he says you go to the liberal party line of it's okay they all do it.

Dude, i'm no liberal, get your facts straight.

[Bernie Brewer]

Everyone knows that only Republicans can bring race in a campaign!!! I look forward to the VP Debate in October. I suspect Ryan will make Biden look pretty silly.

[cardboardbox]

I suspect Biden will make Biden look pretty silly.

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[Lucky]

Hmmm--not sure I can go there with you Lucky. Bachmann is much more into social conservatism than fiscal conservatism, whereas Ryan is the opposite. Plus he voted for the auto bailout, which (at least on that issue) puts him at odds with the very far right. Plus, Bachmann has a treasure trove of flat out nutty quotes and theories. Ryan seems pretty grounded and very bright.

I agree that Ryan is very bright, and I'll agree that he seems very grounded. But when push comes to shove, he walks the same wacky path as Michele. Here's what Nate Silver had to say recently:

Various statistical measures of Mr. Ryan peg him as being quite conservative. Based on his Congressional voting record, for instance, the statistical system DW-Nominate evaluates him as being roughly as conservative as Representative Michele Bachmann of Minnesota.

I looked up the stats Nate Silver referred to, and Ryan's voting record is much more conservative than some of the hard-core tea partiers. He did vote for the bailout (and I think for TARP), but those are only a couple of votes. Plus, TARP was a Bush plan.

[Lucky]

I checked Romney's plan and its a 20% tax cut for everyone, not just the wealthy. I'm assuming you'd like that tax cut for everyone but the usual $250k+ earners?

If lowering taxes and reducing govt spending isnt at least on the path to being a fiscal conservative, please explain to me what is.

No. At this point, a substantial tax reduction would further drag our economy down. It would only provide temporarily relief to those who need it the least. And that is not fiscal conservatism. It is pandering to the people who provide massive campaign contributions.

The far right loves to claim that those on the left are "blinded by party affiliation" or otherwise cannot see the big picture. When it comes to tax matters (and the power of Grover Norquist), it's the far right who cannot see beyond their collective noses.

[cardboardbox]

No. At this point, a substantial tax reduction would further drag our economy down. It would only provide temporarily relief to those who need it the least. And that is not fiscal conservatism. It is pandering to the people who provide massive campaign contributions.

this is hilarious, as usual from you. In your world that is very foreign to mine, tax cuts make for a worse economy. I guess tax increases would improve the economy, right?

I'll ask again, if lowering taxes and reducing govt spending isnt part of fiscal conservatism, what is?

[onejayhawk]

Dude, i'm no liberal, get your facts straight.

I'm no conservative. What is your point?

J