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  • Lucky, glad to hear this worked out for you.
    finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
    own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
    won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84

    SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
    RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
    C Stallings 2, Casali 1
    1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
    OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1

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    • and the howls of those that will celebrate if SCOTUS overturns it

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      • Originally posted by Moonlight J View Post
        and the howls of those that will celebrate if SCOTUS overturns it
        Ted Cruz would be one of those.

        J
        Ad Astra per Aspera

        Oh. In that case, never mind. - Wonderboy

        GITH fails logic 101. - bryanbutler

        Bah...OJH caught me. - Pogues

        I don't know if you guys are being willfully ignorant, but... - Judge Jude

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        • It's cognitive dissonance, coupled with Obama Derangement Syndrome. There is simply no set of facts, no gathering of data which could convince Ted Cruz, Louis Gohmert, or like-minded conservatives that the ACA is anything other than an utter disaster. Stated differently, the right will be convinced it is a failure even if it is a smashing success. They must believe that, or their ideological house loses a major support beam.

          That's why you can't argue with them about this. For them, it is an article of faith.

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          • Originally posted by eldiablo505
            Today is the five year anniversary of the Act being passed into law.

            - The % of uninsured is at its lowest ever since that stat started being recorded - 12.9%.
            - 16.4 million people who would otherwise not have insurance are now insured.
            - The budget deficit is shrinking. The Affordable Care Act, according to the CBO, is a huge part of that.


            ....and still you hear the empty howls of the right wing, proclaiming it a disaster. Smh.
            Those are great numbers. Thank you for posting them.

            Are there any honest downside numbers that could be used to counter these?

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            • Originally posted by Lucky View Post
              It's cognitive dissonance, coupled with Obama Derangement Syndrome. There is simply no set of facts, no gathering of data which could convince Ted Cruz, Louis Gohmert, or like-minded conservatives that the ACA is anything other than an utter disaster. Stated differently, the right will be convinced it is a failure even if it is a smashing success. They must believe that, or their ideological house loses a major support beam.

              That's why you can't argue with them about this. For them, it is an article of faith.
              This seems to be the general state of politics these days. Repubs sure are not alone in how they toe the corporate line.

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              • Originally posted by onejayhawk View Post
                Ted Cruz would be one of those.

                J
                Ted Cruz rhymes with Clown Shoes

                It fits.

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                • more people having insurance is good
                  "You know what's wrong with America? If I lovingly tongue a woman's nipple in a movie, it gets an "NC-17" rating, if I chop it off with a machete, it's an "R". That's what's wrong with America, man...."--Dennis Hopper

                  "One should judge a man mainly from his depravities. Virtues can be faked. Depravities are real." -- Klaus Kinski

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                  • The first impact of the fines, excuse me, non-participation taxes is still coming.

                    J
                    Ad Astra per Aspera

                    Oh. In that case, never mind. - Wonderboy

                    GITH fails logic 101. - bryanbutler

                    Bah...OJH caught me. - Pogues

                    I don't know if you guys are being willfully ignorant, but... - Judge Jude

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                    • Again, you can't make this shit up...

                      Ted Cruz — one of the Affordable Care Act’s harshest critics — announced Tuesday that he would be signing up for health insurance under President Barack Obama’s signature legislation.
                      The Texas Republican senator, who declared his candidacy for president in 2016 on Monday, previously received a very generous health insurance package through his wife Heidi Cruz’s employer, the investment bank Goldman Sachs.


                      Now that Mrs. Cruz is reportedly taking an unpaid leave from work to help her husband’s campaign, the family has decided to obtain its insurance on federal exchanges.
                      Cruz told the Des Moines Register Tuesday, “We will presumably go on the exchange and sign up for health care.” He then confirmed that he would sign up in an interview with CNN’s Dana Bash.
                      “[W]e’re in the process of transitioning over to do that,” he told the Register.

                      Because of an amendment to the Affordable Care Act championed by Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), members of Congress not covered by Medicare must receive their government-funded health care via exchanges like millions of other Americans who are not afforded insurance directly by their employers.

                      "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
                      - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)

                      "Your shitty future continues to offend me."
                      -Warren Ellis

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                        • I was reading an article that mentioned the same data as the chart MoonlightJ posted. I don't think the ACA has anything to do with jobs being added but it certainly flies in the face of all the "Obamacare will cost millions of jobs" talk that many people were throwing around. Opinion polls on the ACA show more and more people liking it but many of the Republicans running in 2016 have still made it a platform that we need to repeal the act. I guess it plays good to the base and helps them get elected so it isn't a bad strategy but eventually they will need another talking point.

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                          • Originally posted by eldiablo505
                            (Sorry if you live in a state with a Republican governor.....you get what you vote for, I guess.)
                            Or you get what your neighbors voted for. I voted for Wendy Davis.
                            "Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"

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                            • My neighbors voted for Wendy, and I still got Abbott.

                              But seriously, it is hard to develop respect for a politician who, in the face of a mountain of facts, refuses to admit that he or she might be mistaken and continues to double down. Yet repealing "every single word" of Obamacare, without any comprehensive alternative in mind, is still the goal of the GOP as a whole. Or as a hole.

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                              • very thorough analysis on this issue by Politifact recently

                                http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...e-and-what-di/

                                the kicker:

                                "There are perhaps signs that strong opposition to the law is falling. More than 50 percent opposed the measure in 2010; 46 percent are against it today, according to Pollster.com’s aggregate polling metrics. The recent number is also significantly lower than fall of 2013 when healthcare.gov’s failures plagued the law’s popularity.

                                But support is down a couple of percentage points as well. If support and opposition are both falling, it means one thing: Five years in, a growing number of Americans don’t know what to think of the law."

                                someone alluded to it earlier, but Democrats took pains to delay several provisions of Obamacare until after the Nov 2014 elections. if those changes prove to be popular, then that was one of the worst political miscalculations in 100 years - given the Nov 2014 election results. personally, I hope it turns out to be a home run for the country. aside from the worst political hacks, who wouldn't?
                                finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
                                own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
                                won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84

                                SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
                                RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
                                C Stallings 2, Casali 1
                                1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
                                OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1

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