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  • #76
    I'm surprised so many folks thought she 'won'. She might not have lost, but it seemed like Sanders won to me.

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    • #77
      http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...bate/73882972/

      that's the Factcheck.org analysis of debate claims
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      • #78
        Originally posted by Hornsby View Post
        So the question becomes this: Will you support HRC in the general election if/when it comes down to that? How many Sanders supporters are simply going to stay home or cast a "protest" vote if Bernie doesn't get the nomination?
        IIRC, the only non-Republican on this board who has stated he absolutely won't vote for her is GITH.
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        • #79
          Originally posted by nots View Post
          I'm surprised so many folks thought she 'won'. She might not have lost, but it seemed like Sanders won to me.
          Not losing is a victory when you're the heavy favorite.
          If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
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          Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)

          How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige

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          • #80
            Originally posted by DMT View Post
            Not losing is a victory when you're the heavy favorite.
            True dat.

            I guess I should have said something like, in a vacuum, Sanders won last night IMO, but nothing that happened prevented Hillary from taking another big step towards the nomination.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by DMT View Post
              Not losing is a victory when you're the heavy favorite.
              Bingo!
              “Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.”
              -Ralph Waldo Emerson

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              • #82
                Originally posted by DMT View Post
                IIRC, the only non-Republican on this board who has stated he absolutely won't vote for her is GITH.
                I wont vote for either major party - because the are beholding to the shareholders......... not the people
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                "When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by DMT View Post
                  Not losing is a victory when you're the heavy favorite.
                  If your the heavy favorite - Not losing in by no means a victory. However, the media moguls that are all in on her can spin this however they want. I personally was not able to watch last night so I cant make that determination.
                  It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
                  Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address

                  "When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra

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                  • #84
                    Did anyone make it to the final question? The one where AC asked "What enemy have you made that you are most proud of?" - This was the lone (but BIG, imo) stumble by Hillary, when she listed a bunch of things, but ultimately settled on "republicans." Sure it wont hurt her among Dems, but this may come back to haunt her in the general.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Pauly View Post
                      Did anyone make it to the final question? The one where AC asked "What enemy have you made that you are most proud of?" - This was the lone (but BIG, imo) stumble by Hillary, when she listed a bunch of things, but ultimately settled on "republicans." Sure it wont hurt her among Dems, but this may come back to haunt her in the general.
                      She wasn't going to draw a lot of support from them anyway. Although, maybe some Republican women. So maybe you are correct. She can walk that back by saying that she meant far-right Republicans.
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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by DMT View Post
                        IIRC, the only non-Republican on this board who has stated he absolutely won't vote for her is GITH.
                        Pretty sure I would not vote for her either
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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by DMT View Post
                          Exactly...Clinton did have a strong performance, but she by no means separated herself.

                          Sanders really should've been more aggressive, particularly about her support of the Patriot Act, a no-fly zone in Syria, and the fact that she lied through her teeth about Khaddafi and Libya.
                          I'll admit that Clinton seemed pretty polished and didn't embarrass herself, although I thought her response on Libya was ridiculous, it is troubling that she considers that a success.

                          Hillary Clinton Defends Her Failed War in Libya
                          http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/hillary-clinton-debate-libya/410437/
                          Few viewers seemed to notice the weakest moment in the Democratic frontrunner’s debate.



                          I also thought her Wall street comments were unbelievable

                          CNN Democratic Debate: Bernie Sanders Calls Out Hillary Clinton For Being Naive On Wall Street
                          http://www.inquisitr.com/2493880/cnn-democratic-debate-bernie-sanders-calls-out-hillary-clinton/
                          Senator Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) slammed Hillary Clinton as naive on Wall Street during the CNN Democratic debate on Tuesday night in Las Vegas. Sanders went on the attack as Hillary Clinton defended her stance on Wall Street regulatory policies during her time as a senator in New York. The former secretary of state stated that […]
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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Judge Jude View Post
                            sigh. no one has ever read a notes column

                            2 of the candidates were said to be dreadful and their dreams are over, whether they know it or not. even VP is now just a pipe dream.
                            O'Malley seems to be able to fog a mirror, at least.
                            Bernie wants us to emulate Denmark, which resonates with almost what, 10 percent of the country? and they have nothing in common with us. you can pick one or two elements of other country decision-making, but don't ask American voters to just follow the leader.

                            does that help?
                            No because it's inaccurate and if that's all you took away from the debate, you really weren't listening.
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                            Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by eldiablo505
                              Assuming it's HRC and, well, any one of the GOP candidates --- who would you vote for then? 3rd party? No one?

                              I don't even know that there will be any serious 3rd party candidates. Last time I remembered checking, the Socialist Party ran out a candidate that was legally barred from election because she wasn't yet 35 years old, lol. Sigh.

                              I think that would be the classic "hold your nose and vote against the other guy instead of for your guy" situation.
                              I really don't know what I'd do. Probably 3rd party, but I suppose it's possible I'd end up voting for Clinton. Now I need to go wash my hands, they feel dirty just typing that.
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                              • #90
                                HRC said everything she thought she should to get elected as she has all campaign even flip flopping on key issues. She was polished and never failed to hit the 'First Woman President"horn whenever she could. She was poised, but she really never answered anything in detail and what answers she did give were typical politi-speak. The only people who though she won are the people who wanted her to win and those who want her to win the nomination.

                                Sanders wasn't as polished, wasn't as poised but was by far the most honest and focused on what he wants to do and how. Those who have myopically droned in on his Denmark comment are again, hearing only what they wanted to hear. They wanted to be able to say, see he's a anti american socialist and so they skew the Denmark comment to that effect and say he's lost everyone but the right.

                                If the masses really do turn out in force, Bernie wins. If it's the same ol 40%, then HRC will win.


                                Its pretty to see that simple from here
                                If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

                                Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
                                Martin Luther King, Jr.

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