'16 Democratic Nomination Thread

[Hodor]

Excellent example, bhob of the bullshit narrative those with something invested in keeping the status quo continue to run with.

If Bernie has such little support in the party he should just run as an independent after the convention crowns it's monarch.

Cuz you know, Hillary can win it without all of us Sanders supporters

[Bob Kohm]

No matter how much you don't like the reality, you can't argue against it or make strawmen (your silly second and third statements) for your benefit. Bullshit narrative? Refute it with facts rather than invective. Bernie's wins have overwhelmingly come in states that have lower Democratic numbers and hold caucuses. I can't begin to imagine what in that statement is even remotely controversial. In key battleground states-- Virginia, Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Georgia, Texas-- he has gotten beaten up pretty badly. Again, what there is at all controversial? He got a hair's breadth win in Michigan on a single issue campaign, did better in Colorado than suspected and won easily in liberal caucus state Minnesota. Again, nothing controversial there. Your main argument, actually, seems to be, "But I LIKE him and everything reality tells us is therefore wrong". If wishes were horses....

Sanders has lost the race, such as it ever was.

[Hodor]

No matter how much you don't like the reality, you can't argue against it or make strawmen (your silly second and third statements) for your benefit. Bullshit narrative? Refute it with facts rather than invective. Bernie's wins have overwhelmingly come in states that have lower Democratic numbers and hold caucuses. I can't begin to imagine what in that statement is even remotely controversial. In key battleground states-- Virginia, Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Georgia, Texas-- he has gotten beaten up pretty badly. Again, what there is at all controversial? He got a hair's breadth win in Michigan on a single issue campaign, did better in Colorado than suspected and won easily in liberal caucus state Minnesota. Again, nothing controversial there. Your main argument, actually, seems to be, "But I LIKE him and everything reality tells us is therefore wrong". If wishes were horses....

Sanders has lost the race, such as it ever was.

Bohb, I and every other supporter could debate you all day using as much evidence for Bernie as you can come up with against him. You do it all the time when you THINK you're right about something and congratulations, you and everyone like you has inspired me and others like me to fight till the end.

[Bob Kohm]

Bohb, I and every other supporter could debate you all day using as much evidence for Bernie as you can come up with against him. You do it all the time when you THINK you're right about something and congratulations, you and everyone like you has inspired me and others like me to fight till the end.

I get it, it's hard to give up on a candidate you believe in-- been there and done that. It doesn't change the fact that in the end you're holding a losing hand. There's no way that most of the Bernie folks will be stupid enough to stay home and allow Donald Trump or Ted Cruz to win the White House and replace not only Scalia but Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Steven Breyer and Anthony Kennedy, so that's an empty threat. As I've often said, I don't love Hillary and would've rather had another candidate, whether it was Corey Booker, Joe Biden, etc-- but what we have is Hillary Clinton, she's a tough piece of work who can hold her own in the White House, and she'll do the right thing on SCOTUS appointments while probably helping us to switch the Senate back over to the Dems. Perfect? Nope. Not bad and a world better than the obvious alternatives? Not even a question, and I think you'd have to agree.

[baldgriff]

Voter Suppression issues in the AZ primaries...... Interesting

http://usuncut.com/politics/5-exampl...izona-primary/

[Bob Kohm]

At most recent count, Hillary Clinton has more than 2.5 MILLION more votes so far in the primaries than does Bernie Sanders. I mean, it seems a little disingenuous to talk about "the will of the people" or whatever without mentioning that.

And I'm not saying that Sanders didn't turn out a lot of people, El D-- just that he has proven unable to do it in the places where it matters. Sanders has little appeal in the places where Democrats need to have appeal to win in November. He's like some unique species of Good Primary/Awful General candidate in that he's generally only good in places where Democrats do terribly in November. Surely one for the text books, but also surely not one for the White House.

[baldgriff]

As a reminder I am no Bernie or Hillary supporter.

I do however believe that the DNC's nomination process has been seriously slanted so that HRC is a prohibitive favorite. Anyone saying last year at this time that there would be even marginal discussion of a secondary candidate that could create as much interest as Bernie you likely would have been laughed at. Hillary's popularity and "lead" was insurmountable a year and a half ago - yet here we sit with a DNC that is all in on one candidate and doing its best to limit the "outsider in their midst".

Consider what it would look like if the Superdelegates didnt exist. He would be 300 delegates behind and in that case it would still be considered close. If the superdelegates shifted for whatever reason - hell he would be ahead. The Superdelegates are what makes this seem like a run away for her.

He sure is plucky and wont go away peacefully.

[DMT]

But 300 delegates behind isn't that close since the Dems award delegates proportionally. Like ElD, I'm a huge Sanders fan as well but simply can't understand the mindset voiced by GITH. Sanders' impact on the race is still profound even though he will lose. Savor the victory and retain that passion for the next mid-term cycle. The difference between Clinton and the Republicans is far greater than the gap between and Sanders.

[Kevin Seitzer]

As a reminder I am no Bernie or Hillary supporter.

I do however believe that the DNC's nomination process has been seriously slanted so that HRC is a prohibitive favorite. Anyone saying last year at this time that there would be even marginal discussion of a secondary candidate that could create as much interest as Bernie you likely would have been laughed at. Hillary's popularity and "lead" was insurmountable a year and a half ago - yet here we sit with a DNC that is all in on one candidate and doing its best to limit the "outsider in their midst".

Consider what it would look like if the Superdelegates didnt exist. He would be 300 delegates behind

yes

and in that case it would still be considered close.

No, it wouldn't. Obama wrapped up the nomination in 2008 the same way Clinton is wrapping it up in 2016, by winning the delegate math, slowly but surely. But in 2008 it was much closer, and still at somewhere around this point it started to become clear that Clinton just wasn't going to catch Obama. Because of the proportional allocation of delegates on the Democratic side, a 300-delegate lead at this point is really pretty big and very tough to overcome.

I say this as a guy who really wanted Bernie to win. But it's not happening, and that's not because the DNC leaned on the process. What Sanders has done is impressive. But it's not going to be enough for the nomination.

Edit to add: Coke to DMT. (Or DMT to DMT, if he prefers!)

[Hornsby]

But 300 delegates behind isn't that close since the Dems award delegates proportionally. Like ElD, I'm a huge Sanders fan as well but simply can't understand the mindset voiced by GITH. Sanders' impact on the race is still profound even though he will lose. Savor the victory and retain that passion for the next mid-term cycle. The difference between Clinton and the Republicans is far greater than the gap between and Sanders.

It really is simple math, nothing more, nothing less, and you can't change the numbers. 300 delegates, even if you ignore the supers (which people simply can't no matter how much they try to wish them away), is an enormous number to overcome using the proportional system.

[onejayhawk]

Bernie and Ted out up good fights, but it has boiled down to Hillary and the Donald.

The oval office is all wrapped up and there is no one to give it to.

J

[BuckyBuckner]

Bernie Sanders Is Currently Winning the Democratic Primary Race, and I’ll Prove It to You

Interesting read about something I have not seen mentioned here.

[GwynnInTheHall]

Bernie Sanders Is Currently Winning the Democratic Primary Race, and I’ll Prove It to You

Interesting read about something I have not seen mentioned here.

You won't because it doesn't support their narrative and despite their protests, they have a narrative. It started long ago wit Bernie is Un Electable, then Bernie is weak and a socialist and can't get anything done in congress so how can he get anything done as president? And now it's Bernie should bow out and give the far ahead, can't catch her nominee to be HRC the crown.

You dont understand my mindset? I'm angry, fucking incensed that life is unfair.'Do NOT tell me that it's reality because I know to well. When someone says--Life is unfair I want to punch them in the face and when they say, that wasn't nice I respond, well life isn't nice either.

I've spent my LIFE demanding that life be fair--I have list jobs, friends and other things non consequential tilting these windmills because I do believe we should approach life as it should be and not as it is. I will die believing so.

I'll give you the ultimate example. I was in the USAF, I went through basic garnering 3 ribbons, Basic Grad, Marksman and Honor grad. I was sent to Defense Language Institute to study Arabic because I tested top of our class. I graduated that course top of my class as well as being on the soccer, football and basketball team and directing the squadron choir. I was halfway through my training into my job as a crypto, again top of my class, when I started taking courses at the local university to finish my degree. I had finals at the Uni which would overlap 2 hours of my class on two days--That was four hours total. I asked them to allow me to miss that time and promised to double my study hall and agreed that if my grades fell (which were at 100%), I'd abandon my efforts at school. they said- No exceptions can be made. I took it up the chain until I reached the top and the final answer was NO--didn;t matter that my idiot roomie got paid the same, treated the same for getting drunk and barley passing--I couldn't be an exception even though i'd proven I was the exception.

I found a loophole in the USAF handbook and used it to get discharged, honorably and with full retention of rank and time in service, because they hadn't treated me in a fair manner (in my opinion) They wasted HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of dollars training me, getting me my top secret clearance and the WASTED it because they couldn't be fucking fair. Now you might think this was me being petty, but THIS is the length I will go and have gone when I think something is unfair.

I've done this throughout my life and before you say it must have fucked me--I can guarantee you, I have an amazing life--because I have demanded things to be fair.

So yeah, I'm fucking Don Quixote.

I ONLY mentioned that to give you a taste of my mindset.

I'm angry, mad as hell.

Bernie NEVER got a fair shake. He was written off long before the primaries started and if they DNC was FAIR and waned the people to decide for THEMSELVES the best candidate, they'd have made this campaign equitable,which it has NOT been.

Sure HRC is going to win easy, they MADE it easy for her. And that's bullshit and because she didn't beat Bernie in a fair fight I will root for her to fail and root for those who support the system which perpetrated this farce of a race to get what they deserve--to be fucked. You are complicit in what i've spent my life fighting against and I'd rather see it all go to shit than for THAT to prevail.

Bernie was our only hope of attempting to make things fair.

I'll never support anyone with a different mantra.

Here's to Warren in 2020

[GwynnInTheHall]

Here's to Warren in 2020

[Lucky]

You won't because it doesn't support their narrative and despite their protests, they have a narrative. It started long ago wit Bernie is Un Electable, then Bernie is weak and a socialist and can't get anything done in congress so how can he get anything done as president? And now it's Bernie should bow out and give the far ahead, can't catch her nominee to be HRC the crown.

You dont understand my mindset? I'm angry, fucking incensed that life is unfair.'Do NOT tell me that it's reality because I know to well. When someone says--Life is unfair I want to punch them in the face and when they say, that wasn't nice I respond, well life isn't nice either.

I've spent my LIFE demanding that life be fair--I have list jobs, friends and other things non consequential tilting these windmills because I do believe we should approach life as it should be and not as it is. I will die believing so.

I'll give you the ultimate example. I was in the USAF, I went through basic garnering 3 ribbons, Basic Grad, Marksman and Honor grad. I was sent to Defense Language Institute to study Arabic because I tested top of our class. I graduated that course top of my class as well as being on the soccer, football and basketball team and directing the squadron choir. I was halfway through my training into my job as a crypto, again top of my class, when I started taking courses at the local university to finish my degree. I had finals at the Uni which would overlap 2 hours of my class on two days--That was four hours total. I asked them to allow me to miss that time and promised to double my study hall and agreed that if my grades fell (which were at 100%), I'd abandon my efforts at school. they said- No exceptions can be made. I took it up the chain until I reached the top and the final answer was NO--didn;t matter that my idiot roomie got paid the same, treated the same for getting drunk and barley passing--I couldn't be an exception even though i'd proven I was the exception.

I found a loophole in the USAF handbook and used it to get discharged, honorably and with full retention of rank and time in service, because they hadn't treated me in a fair manner (in my opinion) They wasted HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of dollars training me, getting me my top secret clearance and the WASTED it because they couldn't be fucking fair. Now you might think this was me being petty, but THIS is the length I will go and have gone when I think something is unfair.

I've done this throughout my life and before you say it must have fucked me--I can guarantee you, I have an amazing life--because I have demanded things to be fair.

So yeah, I'm fucking Don Quixote.

I ONLY mentioned that to give you a taste of my mindset.

I'm angry, mad as hell.

Bernie NEVER got a fair shake. He was written off long before the primaries started and if they DNC was FAIR and waned the people to decide for THEMSELVES the best candidate, they'd have made this campaign equitable,which it has NOT been.

Sure HRC is going to win easy, they MADE it easy for her. And that's bullshit and because she didn't beat Bernie in a fair fight I will root for her to fail and root for those who support the system which perpetrated this farce of a race to get what they deserve--to be fucked. You are complicit in what i've spent my life fighting against and I'd rather see it all go to shit than for THAT to prevail.

Bernie was our only hope of attempting to make things fair.

I'll never support anyone with a different mantra.

Here's to Warren in 2020

I missed it. How did the DNC make the primaries unfair? (I'm a Bernie fan, too, but I haven't heard anything concrete in this regard.)