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Originally posted by johnnya24 View PostNo, not selling any concept of equal. I realize now you're just a dumbass troll.
Noted.
You just keep being you...running with the herd.
BTW, Thanks for being courteous in answering me--oh wait you said not to expect courtesy, well done then.If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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I actually met a gal named Fancy once in Dallas...If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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This bozo has to be your 2022 Darwin Award winner, hands down (like, 6 feet down):
(CNN)A Czech folk singer who was opposed to having a coronavirus vaccine has died after deliberately contracting the virus, according to her son.
Hana Horká, of the folk band Asonance, died Sunday at the age of 57 after intentionally exposing herself to the virus at home while her son and husband were sick, according to CNN affiliate CNN Prima News.
Horká wanted to infect herself so she could be "done with Covid," her son, Jan Rek, told Prima News on Monday.
"I came here because the debate is very important and I want to warn people," said Rek, who added that both he and his father had been vaccinated.
"My mom wanted to get sick so she gets the Covid pass," Rek said. "She said to me and even publicly she wants to get infected so she is done with Covid."
Rek said his mother was getting incorrect information about the virus "from her social circle."
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here is a decent explanation on innate immunity and how adaptive antibodies potentially outcompetes it. I mentioned some of this stuff before. https://unglossed.substack.com/p/negInnate immunity, in the context of preventing infections from occurring in the first place, is principally the work of the Natural Killer Cells which reside directly in the tissues where our cells sit side-by-side with viruses, bacteria, and whatever else might want access. These brilliant cells (like others of the immune system) are fitted with an array of Pattern Recognition Receptors. Here, “Receptor” is a bit of a misnomer. These molecules are form-fitted to molecular shapes and chemical signatures that characterize intact host cells, destroyed host cells, and non-host visitors such as viruses; with them, the immune system is able to “see” by touch.
what's happening is when you get challenged by the virus, these custom antibodies are telling your innate system (first line of defense) to stand down because it's been trained to handle it. but when it gets there it can't do it's job because the virus has changed so much.
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Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View Postdo you have data on "injecting mRNA lipid nanoparticles and not completely knowing where all of them may end up is a good thing because it can unexpectedly induce a mucosal and innate immune response" ? Show me some links that quantify that risk. Then we can compare to hospitalization/death data and make a good decision
as you can see, most of the vaccine stays in the injection site. also, this writer does a pretty good job to dispel fears of wandering lipid nanoparticles. https://medium.com/microbial-instinc...e-788fe58e39b9 and he wrote another article recently https://medium.com/microbial-instinc...s-db0122817ddd
I've read a few of his articles before. I think he does a pretty good job. he's pro vaccine.
also, i read recently apparently someone said it does break the blood brain barrier, but if it did it would be pretty small. and I really don't know much about that stuff, this is more in the context of prion diseases. and I don't think that's where it would start anyways. this person goes into more potential detail. https://stephanieseneff.net/sars-cov...ative-disease/Indeed, the coronavirus spike protein has a GxxxG motif in its transmembrane domain (specifically, GFIAG — glycine, phenylalanine, isoproline, alanine, glycine) [26]. There is a platform called “Uniprot” where you can look up the sequence of specific proteins. The Uniprot entry for the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein has five glycine zipper sequences altogether [27]. According to J. Bart Classen, the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein has the ability “to form amyloid and toxic aggregates that can act as seeds to aggregate many of the misfolded brain proteins and can ultimately lead to neurodegeneration.”
I also read a fact checker recently that said prion disease isn't possible because the lipid nanoparticles or spike protein fades quickly. I don't think that's a very good argument even if it was true, which I don't think it is because prion disease or misfolding proteins can have a long incubation period once started. not to be dramatic, prion disease is shit like Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) and can be considered in Alzheimer's, Parkinson's and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS). in deer they call it chronic wasting disease. in cows MADCOW etc.. I don't think it's something we fully understand.
in the end all I can say is, if anything ever does go wrong with the vaccines, and I am not saying it has or will, you will never be able to pin it on the vaccines. all of these things, if possible, can happen with natural infection also. and at this point with so many different covid vaccines and high uptake, it will be impossible to tell. and even if you could, the censorship would prevail.
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Originally posted by nullnor View PostI wasn't going to answer this question because what I was saying was my own idea and hypothesis resulting from looking into how the mRNA vaccines can induce a mucosal secretive Iga antibody response. but the original data was from Pfizer and was published from Japan.
as you can see, most of the vaccine stays in the injection site. also, this writer does a pretty good job to dispel fears of wandering lipid nanoparticles. https://medium.com/microbial-instinc...e-788fe58e39b9 and he wrote another article recently https://medium.com/microbial-instinc...s-db0122817ddd
I've read a few of his articles before. I think he does a pretty good job. he's pro vaccine.
also, i read recently apparently someone said it does break the blood brain barrier, but if it did it would be pretty small. and I really don't know much about that stuff, this is more in the context of prion diseases. and I don't think that's where it would start anyways. this person goes into more potential detail. https://stephanieseneff.net/sars-cov...ative-disease/ she's obviously anti-vaccine. and if you've been paying attention she's from this site https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/23 which I've posted before. that site obviously has an anti-vaccine agenda and upon closer inspection has a lot of conspiracy stuff. although she's from MIT, I would surmise a lot of the authors might even be considering themselves to be vaccine injured. and if so perhaps that is what is behind their agenda.
I also read a fact checker recently that said prion disease isn't possible because the lipid nanoparticles or spike protein fades quickly. I don't think that's a very good argument even if it was true, which I don't think it is because prion disease or misfolding proteins can have a long incubation period once started. not to be dramatic, prion disease is shit like Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) and can be considered in Alzheimer's, Parkinson's and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS). in deer they call it chronic wasting disease. in cows MADCOW etc.. I don't think it's something we fully understand.
in the end all I can say is, if anything ever does go wrong with the vaccines, and I am not saying it has or will, you will never be able to pin it on the vaccines. all of these things, if possible, can happen with natural infection also. and at this point with so many different covid vaccines and high uptake, it will be impossible to tell. and even if you could, the censorship would prevail.---------------------------------------------
Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
George Orwell, 1984
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Originally posted by nullnor View Postheh. what's that saying? never trust anyone over 30
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Stephanie Seneff, Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory, MIT, Cambridge MA, 02139, USA
Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory, MIT, Cambridge MA, 02139, USA
Greg Nigh, Naturopathic Oncology, Immersion Health, Portland, OR 97214, USA
Naturopathic Oncology, Immersion Health, Portland, OR 97214, USA---------------------------------------------
Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
George Orwell, 1984
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Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View PostAlso don't trust a computer Science Lab worker and a Naturopath to advise you about vaccination, lol
but I like to hear both sides of the debate. for example, I was looking thru this thread and saw you guys were aware of the 30k covid death payout. but then someone stated that's only for medicare and it's not something that can be faked. that's valuable information to me. I read google news everyday and make a point to read every healthcare headline under that category. currently my favorite anti-vaccine site is https://www.theautomaticearth.com/the-automatic-earth/ it's not really offensive, they give a quick anti-vax synopsis every day and they have a painting. i'm not an art guy. they recently had Johannes Vermeer The geographer 1668-69 I like that one.
they had Johannes Vermeer Woman holding a balance 1662-63
balance, there's no balance. not that I am trying to corrupt anybody. but if you want to understand what the other side is saying. and if I knew of any sites that could give me a quick daily pro-vaccine synopsis I would go there too.
we can't control information.
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Originally posted by nullnor View Postyeah I agree, that was one of the first things I looked at. my question would to look up the claim that a GxxG motif have anything to do with misfolding proteins, or 5 of them in a row. i'm not a molecular biologist but I could search to see if any have an opinion on it. and it's entirely possible such bold or false claims are easily wrong. for example, not too long ago some scientists said the virus was against the laws of physics because it had 4 positive amino acids in a row. I looked around for any answers and opinions and couldn't find any, so I filed it away and waited until search engines collected the discussions and later looked it up. and it looks like it was a very wrong claim.
but I like to hear both sides of the debate. for example, I was looking thru this thread and saw you guys were aware of the 30k covid death payout. but then someone stated that's only for medicare and it's not something that can be faked. that's valuable information to me. I read google news everyday and make a point to read every healthcare headline under that category. currently my favorite anti-vaccine site is https://www.theautomaticearth.com/the-automatic-earth/ it's not really offensive, they give a quick anti-vax synopsis every day and they have a painting. i'm not an art guy. they recently had Johannes Vermeer The geographer 1668-69 I like that one.
they had Johannes Vermeer Woman holding a balance 1662-63
balance, there's no balance. not that I am trying to corrupt anybody. but if you want to understand what the other side is saying. and if I knew of any sites that could give me a quick daily pro-vaccine synopsis I would go there too.
we can't control information.---------------------------------------------
Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
George Orwell, 1984
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