And so it has begun

[Bene Futuis]

Police departments all across the country opening up probes to see if their own participated in the terrorism. It's almost as if the largely ignored (at least by those with certain predispositions) studies about the infiltration of white supremacists into our police forces are coming home to roost.

[GwynnInTheHall]

Perky?

Trying to butter me up for a trade proposal

[Judge Jude]

A number of FDNY (Fire Department of New York) employees were at the riot. The FDNY has turned over information to the FBI.

beating a dead horse here, but please offer a cite.

all I see so far is an internet claim about a photo that is claimed to have been taken on-scene of a jacket that may have belonged to a retired firefighter.

clearly you have far more definitive information and from a credible source, so I am eager to read it.

if your claim is true (particularly about the riot, not just the protest), that's an outrage.

if it's not true..... same.

please show your work.

[umjewman]

beating a dead horse here, but please offer a cite.

all I see so far is an internet claim about a photo that is claimed to have been taken on-scene of a jacket that may have belonged to a retired firefighter.

clearly you have far more definitive information and from a credible source, so I am eager to read it.

if your claim is true (particularly about the riot, not just the protest), that's an outrage.

if it's not true..... same.

please show your work.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/fdny-alerts-fbi-members-capitol

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/fdny-gives-fbi-info-on-active-retired-members-at-us-capitol-riot/2821969/

Obviously still under investigation, but the FDNY did turn over information to the FBI, as per these articles.

[Judge Jude]

thanks, UM.

so there are anonymous allegations, but I see nothing definitive to match the posted definitive claim here yet.

still, around these parts in these days, it's above average for sure - given the amount of definitely false and still unconfirmed claims here.

[Bene Futuis]

beating a dead horse here, but please offer a cite.

all I see so far is an internet claim about a photo that is claimed to have been taken on-scene of a jacket that may have belonged to a retired firefighter.

clearly you have far more definitive information and from a credible source, so I am eager to read it.

if your claim is true (particularly about the riot, not just the protest), that's an outrage.

if it's not true..... same.

please show your work.

Clearly.


Here's my cite for you: https://www.google.com/search?q=you%...1sbbHk_s-L67iM

[DMT]

Clearly.


Here's my cite for you: https://www.google.com/search?q=you%...1sbbHk_s-L67iM

Hahah

[chancellor]

well I never really have to cook my daily bag of sour gummy worms......

Ouch, yeah, that’ll do it.

[Hornsby]

Trying to butter me up for a trade proposal

I don't know...am I? Or am I just curious?

[GwynnInTheHall]

I don't know...am I? Or am I just curious?

Maybe I should storm the capitol shirtless and remove all doubt.

[chancellor]

I don't know...am I? Or am I just curious?

Embrace the power of “and”

[Hornsby]

Maybe I should storm the capitol shirtless and remove all doubt.

Make sure you wear one of those Buffalo Helmets...tres chic!

I don't know about the "and", Chance...a mans gotta leave a little mystery.

[Bene Futuis]

In yet another funny turn of events, many of the terrorists are apparently being identified because they refused to wear masks.

[The Feral Slasher]

[QUOTE=Bene Futuis;393550]

I already knew your political persuasions and never thought you were a trump supporter - I assume you knew that, right? Where you lost me was mockingly suggesting that this mob would have hesitated to publicly execute Pence. Of course, that prop wouldn’t have held up, but their intent was pretty clear to me regardless of the device employed. This whole psychotic affair just looks worse and worse the more information and video evidence that surfaces. What do you think would have happened had the terrorists gotten their hands on Pence? How about Pelosi? It’s hard to even believe this happened, much less that it was actively encouraged by Republican leadership.

1) No, I did not think you thought I was a Trump supporter, someone else made comments that insinuated that.

2) Regarding the part in bold I tried to clarify several times in case my original post was ambiguous, but perhaps didn't do a good job. I think that out of the thousands of people at the capitol, they were comprised of individuals, small groups, larger groups, all with varying motivations, goals and level of organization. Many likely intended violence, some probably didn't intend it, but could or would be influenced by the way events unfolded. And some where there to be part of the spectacle, to have an experience. I don't believe that the entire protest was an event that was organized such that every person who showed up did so with the sole purpose of hanging Mike Pence, and knew their part in how the action would unfold.

With this perspective, and looking at the gallows, I concluded it was likely a prop. I would guess a couple guys got together and likely build it because they wanted the attention they would get from the other Trump supporters. I could be wrong, maybe whoever built it really intended to use it. And maybe they had a plan for how they were going to grab Pence and get him alive out to where the gallows were located (apparently about a quarter mile from the Capitol building). But I think that is unlikely.

so that was my perspective when I was "mockingly suggesting that this mob would have hesitated to publicly execute Pence". What I was mocking was the idea that the particular people who built the gallows (out of the thousands of people there) ever had any realistic plan or intention to hang Mike Pence on the gallows they created. I really shouldn't have to say this, but my comment was not meant to justify any violence, murder, assualt, tresspassing, molotov cocktailing, spitting, harrasing, beating, stealing vandalising or other crimes or even the act of constructing the gallows itself. And it was not meant to imply that because I don't think they intended to use the gallows that there were not many people who were intent on violence and terrorism because it is apparent that there were.

[Bene Futuis]

1) No, I did not think you thought I was a Trump supporter, someone else made comments that insinuated that.

2) Regarding the part in bold I tried to clarify several times in case my original post was ambiguous, but perhaps didn't do a good job. I think that out of the thousands of people at the capitol, they were comprised of individuals, small groups, larger groups, all with varying motivations, goals and level of organization. Many likely intended violence, some probably didn't intend it, but could or would be influenced by the way events unfolded. And some where there to be part of the spectacle, to have an experience. I don't believe that the entire protest was an event that was organized such that every person who showed up did so with the sole purpose of hanging Mike Pence, and knew their part in how the action would unfold.

With this perspective, and looking at the gallows, I concluded it was likely a prop. I would guess a couple guys got together and likely build it because they wanted the attention they would get from the other Trump supporters. I could be wrong, maybe whoever built it really intended to use it. And maybe they had a plan for how they were going to grab Pence and get him alive out to where the gallows were located (apparently about a quarter mile from the Capitol building). But I think that is unlikely.

so that was my perspective when I was "mockingly suggesting that this mob would have hesitated to publicly execute Pence". What I was mocking was the idea that the particular people who built the gallows (out of the thousands of people there) ever had any realistic plan or intention to hang Mike Pence on the gallows they created. I really shouldn't have to say this, but my comment was not meant to justify any violence, murder, assualt, tresspassing, molotov cocktailing, spitting, harrasing, beating, stealing vandalising or other crimes or even the act of constructing the gallows itself. And it was not meant to imply that because I don't think they intended to use the gallows that there were not many people who were intent on violence and terrorism because it is apparent that there were.

Gotcha. Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought you were getting at. Thank you for calming my tits.