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  • chancellor
    MVP
    • Jan 2011
    • 11653

    Originally posted by The Feral Slasher
    I am guessing he doesn't give a shit.
    Or he realizes signing onto a bill that further subsidizes green energy will kill whatever is left of the coal miners jobs.
    I'm just here for the baseball.

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    • Bene Futuis
      All Star
      • Jan 2011
      • 5175

      Originally posted by revo
      President Manchin will not support the BBB plan, and as such, Goldman Sachs has cut expected GDP in 1Q22 from 3% to 2%.
      Manchin is rightfully catching hell for his stance but let's not forget that every single GOP member is also to blame for this. You'd have thought that with the SALT provisions that benefit their wealthy benefactors they'd be on board, but I guess it's just not enough. Broadly popular, helps real people, but doesn't put enough money in the pockets of the landed gentry and doesn't contribute to turning little Middle Eastern kids into skeletons. I guess there's the problem.
      More American children die by gunfire in a year than on-duty police officers and active duty military.

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      • The Feral Slasher
        MVP
        • Oct 2011
        • 13399

        Originally posted by chancellor
        Or he realizes signing onto a bill that further subsidizes green energy will kill whatever is left of the coal miners jobs.
        Sure, he cares deeply about coal miners and working class people, that is what motivates him
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        Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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        The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
        George Orwell, 1984

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        • The Feral Slasher
          MVP
          • Oct 2011
          • 13399

          Originally posted by Bene Futuis
          Manchin is rightfully catching hell for his stance but let's not forget that every single GOP member is also to blame for this. You'd have thought that with the SALT provisions that benefit their wealthy benefactors they'd be on board, but I guess it's just not enough. Broadly popular, helps real people, but doesn't put enough money in the pockets of the landed gentry and doesn't contribute to turning little Middle Eastern kids into skeletons. I guess there's the problem.
          So do the potential SALT changes benefit GOP? My impression is that there are Dems pushing for this. Been a while since I thought about it so I could be wrong
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          Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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          The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
          George Orwell, 1984

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          • Bene Futuis
            All Star
            • Jan 2011
            • 5175

            Originally posted by The Feral Slasher
            So do the potential SALT changes benefit GOP? My impression is that there are Dems pushing for this. Been a while since I thought about it so I could be wrong
            It's complicated: https://www.vox.com/2021/11/6/227667...emocrats-biden
            More American children die by gunfire in a year than on-duty police officers and active duty military.

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            • Bene Futuis
              All Star
              • Jan 2011
              • 5175

              Originally posted by The Feral Slasher
              Sure, he cares deeply about coal miners and working class people, that is what motivates him
              Last year Manchin made $491,000 from his coal brokerage business that he founded. That's more than twice his salary as a Senator. So, yeah, he's super concerned about the working class big time, even though they probably don't even have the good grace to own Maseratis or yachts.
              More American children die by gunfire in a year than on-duty police officers and active duty military.

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              • The Feral Slasher
                MVP
                • Oct 2011
                • 13399

                Originally posted by Bene Futuis
                That aligns with my recollection... proposals benefit upper class primarily. One could argue it is more fair. Lots of potential to spin it
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                Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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                The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
                George Orwell, 1984

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                • GwynnInTheHall
                  All Star
                  • Jan 2011
                  • 9214

                  Originally posted by chancellor
                  Or he realizes signing onto a bill that further subsidizes green energy will kill whatever is left of the coal miners jobs.
                  Green energy could prevent the killing of actual coal miners....
                  If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

                  Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
                  Martin Luther King, Jr.

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                  • Ken
                    Administrator
                    • Feb 2016
                    • 10979

                    Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall
                    Green energy could prevent the killing of actual coal miners....
                    And virtual coal miners too.

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                    • GwynnInTheHall
                      All Star
                      • Jan 2011
                      • 9214

                      Originally posted by Ken
                      And virtual coal miners too.
                      What about their daughters?
                      If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

                      Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
                      Martin Luther King, Jr.

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                      • Ken
                        Administrator
                        • Feb 2016
                        • 10979

                        Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall
                        What about their daughters?
                        Not sure, I ain't woman enough.

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                        • The Feral Slasher
                          MVP
                          • Oct 2011
                          • 13399

                          Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall
                          Green energy could prevent the killing of actual coal miners....
                          there are less than 15,000 coal miners in West Virginia in a state of almost 2 million people. But I'm sure Joe Manchin cares deeply about their lives and is just looking out for their well being.
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                          Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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                          The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
                          George Orwell, 1984

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                          • The Feral Slasher
                            MVP
                            • Oct 2011
                            • 13399

                            Originally posted by The Feral Slasher
                            there are less than 15,000 coal miners in West Virginia in a state of almost 2 million people. But I'm sure Joe Manchin cares deeply about their lives and is just looking out for their well being.
                            Against the wishes of the coal miners union. Hmmmm...
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                            Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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                            The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
                            George Orwell, 1984

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                            • Sour Masher
                              MVP
                              • Jan 2011
                              • 10425

                              Originally posted by The Feral Slasher
                              there are less than 15,000 coal miners in West Virginia in a state of almost 2 million people. But I'm sure Joe Manchin cares deeply about their lives and is just looking out for their well being.
                              It isn't about whether he is a kind a caring person. Coal mining has always had an outsized footprint in terms of identity in his area. He hears them, because they are the WV cowboys and a lot more folks identify with them than are them. He will listen or it could cost him. He has to be able to spin his stance as pro miners.

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                              • Ken
                                Administrator
                                • Feb 2016
                                • 10979

                                Originally posted by Sour Masher
                                He has to be able to spin his stance as pro miners.
                                At least they got housing and weekly minimum salary increases this year. You think they'll get anything from the new CBA?

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