Corona Virus

[Judge Jude]

Ok fair point that those states are less dense. Nonetheless, Fauci has publicly endorsed the full national lockdown and it makes little sense at this point to gamble with lives by not doing so. And those states do have urban centers: SLC, Omaha, Charleston, Little Rock, and Des Moines to name a few.

right, but half those states have thousands of square miles with minimal populations and very, very few tourists when the world was normal. if you live 100 miles from a city out there, how many newcomers are going to turn up now?

not that I'm opposed to what Fauci said, either. he's the expert. but in the regions I'm talking about - and it's the bulk of the land in several of them - it's perilously close to a moot point. and even if it's an official statewide "stay home" ruling, it's not going to stop the local cop from sharing a brew with the locals anyway. and the feds don't have the manpower to check on them, either.

I think my post and the previous one to mine both were pretty obviously misleading. but you only raised a red flag to one of them.

[DMT]

right, but half those states have thousands of square miles with minimal populations and very, very few tourists when the world was normal. if you live 100 miles from a city out there, how many newcomers are going to turn up now?

not that I'm opposed to what Fauci said, either. he's the expert. but in the regions I'm talking about - and it's the bulk of the land in several of them - it's perilously close to a moot point. and even if it's an official statewide "stay home" ruling, it's not going to stop the local cop from sharing a brew with the locals anyway. and the feds don't have the manpower to check on them, either.

I think my post and the previous one to mine both were pretty obviously misleading. but you only raised a red flag to one of them.

But that's because one is a notable trend from a political standpoint while the other is just math. Alaska has by far the most open space so not sure the open spaces argument really holds merit. Are you really arguing that politics has no bearing on how Governors have responded?

[Kevin Seitzer]

Only eight states have not issued stay-at-home orders. All of them have Republican governors.

Arkansas
Iowa
Nebraska
North Dakota
South Carolina
South Dakota
Utah
Wyoming

It makes no sense whatsoever for South Carolina to be on that list. Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, and Wyoming maybe have a case.

[GwynnInTheHall]

But that's because one is a notable trend from a political standpoint while the other is just math. Alaska has by far the most open space so not sure the open spaces argument really holds merit. Are you really arguing that politics has no bearing on how Governors have responded?

It absolutely does and to ignore it is as willfully ignorant as the Governors who think they know better about how to handle this crisis than the doctors.

[fuhrdog]

the other problem is that "no stay-at-home orders" definitely appears to be misleading, at best, just from this thread.

In my area that is one of the main arguments by people who are not taking it very seriously. It's not bad here or we would be locked down like other states is an argument I get daily.

[Judge Jude]

I will wild-ass guesstimate that the percentage of the territory of Alaska that is engaging in "stay at home" conduct is perilously close to zero.

there are very strong trends of statewide quarantines both in terms of state politics and in population per square mile. seems silly to argue otherwise.

[Kevin Seitzer]

[Kevin Seitzer]

Okay, this one is maybe more telling. The sparsely populated states that have an official shutdown also have a Democratic governor (Montana, New Mexico, Nevada, Maine, Kansas) or a relatively high case rate (Idaho). Alaska being the one exception to that. The four states that are more densely populated (South Carolina, Arkansas, Iowa) or have a high case rate (Utah) and have not shut down all have Republican governors. I think this should effectively refute JJ's argument that party-shutdown link is coincidental.

[GwynnInTheHall]

I will wild-ass guesstimate that the percentage of the territory of Alaska that is engaging in "stay at home" conduct is perilously close to zero.

there are very strong trends of statewide quarantines both in terms of state politics and in population per square mile. seems silly to argue otherwise.

The point is, it's not about your opinion or guesstimating, It's about listening to the Virus experts. PERIOD.

To do otherwise it to put people's lives at stake.

These Governors are complicit in ANY death that occurs because they failed to do what was asked of them.

As for Population and your Guess that people won't be in contact because of Small Town ect ect, there is NO way you can say it won't absolutely happen with or without the stay at home order--None

Not One life--NOT ONE, should be compromised because of this idiotic mindset.

JFC, how hard is that to understand?

[DMT]

Okay, this one is maybe more telling. The sparsely populated states that have an official shutdown also have a Democratic governor (Montana, New Mexico, Nevada, Maine, Kansas) or a relatively high case rate (Idaho). Alaska being the one exception to that. The four states that are densely populated (South Carolina, Arkansas, Iowa) or have a high case rate (Utah) and have not shut down all have Republican governors. I think this should effectively refute JJ's argument that party-shutdown link is coincidental.

Thanks for making a much better argument.

[fuhrdog]

Thanks for making a much better argument.

agreed, thanks KS

[Judge Jude]

"I think this should effectively refute JJ's argument that party-shutdown link is coincidental."

sigh. if you're going to put words in someone's mouth, at least put the right ones in there.

another example:

"The point is, it's not about your opinion or guesstimating, It's about listening to the Virus experts. PERIOD."

both are doozies, but that comment scolding a guy who wrote: "not that I'm opposed to what Fauci said, either. he's the expert" - that really takes the cake.

[Kevin Seitzer]

"I think this should effectively refute JJ's argument that party-shutdown link is coincidental."

sigh. if you're going to put words in someone's mouth, at least put the right ones in there.

another example:

"The point is, it's not about your opinion or guesstimating, It's about listening to the Virus experts. PERIOD."

both are doozies, but that comment scolding a guy who wrote: "not that I'm opposed to what Fauci said, either. he's the expert" - that really takes the cake.

What?

[GwynnInTheHall]

"I think this should effectively refute JJ's argument that party-shutdown link is coincidental."

sigh. if you're going to put words in someone's mouth, at least put the right ones in there.

another example:

"The point is, it's not about your opinion or guesstimating, It's about listening to the Virus experts. PERIOD."

both are doozies, but that comment scolding a guy who wrote: "not that I'm opposed to what Fauci said, either. he's the expert" - that really takes the cake.

yeah--what? It was pointed out that the only idiots who haven't complied with the experts are GOP Governors, you pulles some But Democrats have the most deaths in their states whataboutit bullshit out of your butt rather than acknowledge the fact that Ordering the lockdowns is a completely different thing than the correlation of deaths and political affiliation.

It's pretty obvious you tried to avert criticism from one party, but you failed. the GOP has been the party of dragging it's feet this entire damn crisis.

Ignore it if you want, just don't try to foist that BS on the rest of us.

[Judge Jude]

What?

I wrote: "there are very strong trends of statewide quarantines both in terms of state politics and in population per square mile. seems silly to argue otherwise."

you claimed, falsely: "I think this should effectively refute JJ's argument that party-shutdown link is coincidental."

here's the population density rankings of the eight non-statewide order stay-at-home states - "coincidentally" seven of them are below the U.S. average:

Wyoming 49
North Dakota 46
South Dakota 45
Nebraska 43
Utah 40
Iowa 36
Arkansas 34
South Carolina 19

that is one helluva coincidence!

and what part of my observation about "very strong trends of statewide quarantines both in terms of state politics and in population per square mile" are you disagreeing with, exactly?

meanwhile, another poster - confronted with his error - tries deflection mode away from addressing:

"The point is, it's not about your opinion or guesstimating, It's about listening to the Virus experts. PERIOD."

this is in spite of my comment a few minutes earlier of "not that I'm opposed to what Fauci said, either. he's the expert."

and the audience is oh so happy to play along. no need to consider the various posts - why risk end up disagreeing with the party line, and risk being ostracized from the circle?