Election 2020

[DMT]

Believers in the Truth.

Fitting that you capitalize it because in the minds of far too many these days, only they know what it is...eerily similar to the religious zealots who they so openly mock and scorn.

[DMT]

If Sanders gets smoked today, take a few days to mourn, and then suck it up and soldier on. Or don't, I honestly don't care. But I'm done with Sanders (and his fanatical supporters) if Michigan turns against him.

[GwynnInTheHall]

Fitting that you capitalize it because in the minds of far too many these days, only they know what it is...eerily similar to the religious zealots out who they so openly mock and scorn.

Look at my posts throughout this forum--I randomly capitalize many words I want to emphasize.

It's ok, we all know what's happening here--the only difference this time is that Biden isn't as reprehensible as HRC was and Trump is far worse than expected. His "Return to Normalcy" moniker is accurate, the problem is--Normal, while much more preferable that what we have right now, wasn't working for a third of Americans.

And you can backhand me anyday bud, I am resolved in what I believe.

[GwynnInTheHall]

If Sanders gets smoked today, take a few days to mourn, and then suck it up and soldier on. Or don't, I honestly don't care. But I'm done with Sanders (and his fanatical supporters) if Michigan turns against him.

We've known for a long time you don't care, and that you've been done with Sanders since before it started.

But you guys are starting to sway me, your slick, build a coalition to beat Trump methods are giving me hope.

Hope that if you all keep being dickwads you'll have 4 more years of Trump to whine about and giggle my ass of as you wonder what went wrong and looking forward to how the Democrats will fuck up the election in 2024.

Bottomline is--You need us Sanders fanatics, more than we need you--so keep pissing us off.

[DMT]

We've known for a long time you don't care, and that you've been done with Sanders since before it started.

But you guys are starting to sway me, your slick, build a coalition to beat Trump methods are giving me hope.

Hope that if you all keep being dickwads you'll have 4 more years of Trump to whine about and giggle my ass of as you wonder what went wrong and looking forward to how the Democrats will fuck up the election in 2024.

Bottomline is--You need us Sanders fanatics, more than we need you--so keep pissing us off.

Yep, only Sanders zealots care...until they don't. This is a golden post here, well done.

[Teenwolf]

If Sanders gets smoked today, take a few days to mourn, and then suck it up and soldier on. Or don't, I honestly don't care. But I'm done with Sanders (and his fanatical supporters) if Michigan turns against him.

Yeah, fuck those crowds of die-hard Berners... 15K-30K crowds... who fucking needs them... especially when they're so mean on twitter...

Real smart strategy. You take after Elizabeth Warren.

[DMT]

Yeah, fuck those crowds of die-hard Berners... 15K-30K crowds... who fucking needs them... especially when they're so mean on twitter...

Real smart strategy. You take after Elizabeth Warren.

Thanks, that's probably the nicest compliment you've ever given me.

[fuhrdog]

Or she's clear that Biden has already essentially won and believes it's not in the best interest of defeating Trump in November to come out against the overwhelmingly likely Democratic nominee today.

[GwynnInTheHall]

Yep, only Sanders zealots care...until they don't. This is a golden post here, well done.

It is kind of a perfect troll to yours eh?

I've stated what my intentions are long ago, but if you insist on trolling or just being a dick--I'll gladly play along.

[Teenwolf]

Only TW was against Warren from day one, but you're right having the people in charge of the Party steer the primary so the person they want gets nominated is a MUCH better strategy.

I was not against anybody from day 1, except Joe Biden. I was open to whoever carried the most progressive agenda, who created the broadest base of supporters, and who would appeal to non-voters... basically, I valued electability from the start. I've been saying Joe Biden would never beat Trump from the start. That remains true. It's sad to me that people don't see it. I would be happy to be proven wrong.

In fact, my very early candidates I liked were Richard Ojeda and Kirsten Gillibrand, which I based entirely on personality with Ojeda, and I thought Gillibrand was kinda foxy and used persuasive progressive messaging... so everyone saying I've been Bernie or Bust from day 1, stop it.

My loathing of Warren developed over time. It started off with troubling signals. She didn't endorse Sanders in 2016 because she had a backroom deal with Clinton going back to 2013.... a bad sign. Then the DNA test looked horrible, hurting her electability. As the campaign went on, Warren was using weasel words talking about M4A, like "access to affordable care", and I called her out on it from the start because I have a low tolerance for bullshit. Some here eat bullshit for breakfast lunch and dinner, specifically wealthy well-educated white people. When it became clear that Warren's base was not broad enough, even B-Fly acknowledged that she had no path to the White House... when it became clear that she had no shot unless she knifed Bernie in the back publicly to steal the broad base he had built, she used all of her terrible political instincts to listen to the Clinton advisors in her campaign, and claim Bernie was a sexist... now Warren is making the case that Sanders' supporters tweets are disqualifying for him... she's been revealed as standing for nothing but her own self interest... yukking it up on SNL while Bernie still has a shot to win... no, rather the candidate with Dementia who holds NONE of your positions and who is much more personally hostile to voters than whatever Bernie Bro bullshit... Biden has been yelling in voters faces, dismissing Iraq war veterans, dismissing immigration and climate activists, calling voters "fat" and "too old", pushing voters, ruffling shirts, invading space like he promised he wouldn't, threatening to slap voters... right, much more respectful than Bernie 'my good friend Joe Biden' Sanders...

It's a joke. Her remaining supporters who retain some belief that she's either a better strategic politician than Bernie, or somehow values progressive ideals over her self interest is delusional.

Bernie, if he goes down, is the only one to not stoop to personal attacks on anybody. That may be why he loses, we can do the autopsy after its over. But however it ends up, he goes out with more integrity in his pinky finger than a phony "player in the game" like Elizabeth Warren.

[revo]

Biden romping again tonight

[DMT]

Biden romping again tonight

It's over, can't wait to see how committed Sanders is to unifying to defeat Trump.

[frae]

It's over, can't wait to see how committed Sanders is to unifying to defeat Trump.

Like I said early in the first Super Tuesday the writing was on the wall and the math was just math. This is over and will not even be as close as 2016.

[Teenwolf]

It's over, can't wait to see how committed Sanders is to unifying to defeat Trump.

The way you're prematurely blaming Sanders supporters for Biden's inevitable loss is hilarious to me. As if 40 rallies for HRC wasn't enough for you, visiting Michigan twice when HRC skipped it entirely... YUP... gonna be Bernie's fault all over again. Great take.

Sanders voters, or folks who would come out for him in the primary, need something to come out for. If Biden offers it, they will. He never has, and he isn't about to start. Hillary already obliterated Trump on the black vote, so there's no edge for Biden there. The working class seem to be backing Biden because they see him as the most electable among the Dems to beat Trump... but that's among Democratic voters. Once you hit the general, does Biden "at 75%" as Sour Masher pegs it, with a worse record than HRC but less despised in the media on the whole... will independents and Obama-Trump voters flip back to him? Maybe if he shows mental competence. I don't think he can do it. I think he's at closer to 40-50% of peak form. He will be embarrassed and to low information voters, that will probably be enough. Especially given Trump's incumbency, and likelihood to exploit his advantages at the levers of control... I think there's no way. Again, I hope I'm wrong. I'd love to hammer away at a feeble Biden in the WH until AOC primaries him in 2024. Much like I supported HRC in '16 with the same intent.

[Redbirds Fan]

Andrew Yang endorses Joe Biden. Bit of a surprise to me.