President Donald Trump

[revo]

Fake news!

[GwynnInTheHall]

Fake news!

Attack, attack, attack you really have TDS don't you!!

[Gregg]

After suspecting it for the last 3 years, this year has convinced me that when it comes to common sense our country is seriously lagging behind most other countries.

I wonder how much our freedom has to do with this?

And I am not suggesting we have less freedom.

[TranaGreg]

I wonder how much our freedom has to do with this?

And I am not suggesting we have less freedom.

are you suggesting you have more?

[Gregg]

are you suggesting you have more?

More than other countries? Yes.

[The Feral Slasher]

are you suggesting you have more?

what could be more free than letting an 18 year old show up with a gun at a protest ? That is freedom !

[TranaGreg]

More than other countries? Yes.

how so? I've traveled around a fair bit & don't see any significant differences.

(I'm not talking about comparing to North Korea or Saudi Arabia, but compared with most western style democracies)

[Gregg]

how so? I've traveled around a fair bit & don't see any significant differences.

(I'm not talking about comparing to North Korea or Saudi Arabia, but compared with most western style democracies)

umm... now you are putting more rules on it.

I am just curious. Who do you think has as much freedom as we do?

In your opinion do any of those "western style" countries have more freedom?

[chancellor]

umm... now you are putting more rules on it.

I am just curious. Who do you think has as much freedom as we do?

In your opinion do any of those "western style" countries have more freedom?

None, though to TranaGreg's point, many of the differences may not be considered significant to some people. The EU and UK both have much more speech restrictions than we do, greater limitations in bearing arms, greater capability to restrict travel, and much greater protection of personal privacy rights. I'll note that many would consider greater restrictions on bearing arms and greater protection of personal privacy to be net positives.

Legally, I'd posit that Japan and Taiwan are legally "freer" than either the UK or EU, but cultural differences provide much greater restrictions than legal ones do.

[TranaGreg]

umm... now you are putting more rules on it.

I am just curious. Who do you think has as much freedom as we do?

In your opinion do any of those "western style" countries have more freedom?

In living people's day to day lives, as I said, no significant differences. Certainly not enough for it to be a factor in madducks question which triggered this, several posts above (and which was the context for my question).

To chance's points, any speech restrictions don't impact 99.9% of people on a typical day, the capacity to restrict travel exists everywhere - and yes, I'd suggest that the restrictions on bearing arms in most countries results in greater freedoms for the vast majority of citizens.

[TranaGreg]

umm... now you are putting more rules on it.
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but that's seems obvious doesn't it? ... surely you're not suggesting that the greater freedoms that the US has relative to North Korea or Saudi Arabia have anything to do with why your country may be lagging behind most countries in common sense? (again, in the context of madducks question)

[Gregg]

None, though to TranaGreg's point, many of the differences may not be considered significant to some people. The EU and UK both have much more speech restrictions than we do, greater limitations in bearing arms, greater capability to restrict travel, and much greater protection of personal privacy rights. I'll note that many would consider greater restrictions on bearing arms and greater protection of personal privacy to be net positives.

Legally, I'd posit that Japan and Taiwan are legally "freer" than either the UK or EU, but cultural differences provide much greater restrictions than legal ones do.

Thank you Chance.

I forget the need to define terms in some of these discussions.

[Gregg]

In living people's day to day lives, as I said, no significant differences. Certainly not enough for it to be a factor in madducks question which triggered this, several posts above (and which was the context for my question).

To chance's points, any speech restrictions don't impact 99.9% of people on a typical day, the capacity to restrict travel exists everywhere - and yes, I'd suggest that the restrictions on bearing arms in most countries results in greater freedoms for the vast majority of citizens.

Ok...

[Gregg]

but that's seems obvious doesn't it? ... surely you're not suggesting that the greater freedoms that the US has relative to North Korea or Saudi Arabia have anything to do with why your country may be lagging behind most countries in common sense? (again, in the context of madducks question)

No. I am suggesting that we have the most freedom as a whole. Some will abuse that freedom to exercise their right to practice their lack of common sense and elevate to an art form.

I would suggest that North Korean's that have a lack of common sense would not do as much damage with it as they do not have the freedom to exercise it.

[GwynnInTheHall]

None, though to TranaGreg's point, many of the differences may not be considered significant to some people. The EU and UK both have much more speech restrictions than we do, greater limitations in bearing arms, greater capability to restrict travel, and much greater protection of personal privacy rights. I'll note that many would consider greater restrictions on bearing arms and greater protection of personal privacy to be net positives.

Legally, I'd posit that Japan and Taiwan are legally "freer" than either the UK or EU, but cultural differences provide much greater restrictions than legal ones do.

We have less and less freedom everyday.