Britain is looking to leave the EU.....

[TranaGreg]

It seems that no one was surprised at the outcome. Wasn't the turnout pretty heavy?

J

Huh? I've seen several stories of people who voted Leave and are now shocked that it's actually going to happen, to the point where some are regretting their vote.

[Mithrandir]

This was a bad or worse vote, so there was zero momentum behind the Remain campaign, and enormous amounts of complacency (this referendum should never have happened). That combined with the huge misjudgment on the part of the media of the true nature of "white Britain" ... under-educated and insular, mentally challenged with with delusions of grandeur because they are "British" / "English", small-minded, very very stupid, racist, hugely xenophobic.

Political correctness has disguised this true nature of white Britain. This was the first chance in living memory that they have had their chance to show their true self. In the 1970's and 80's there were shows like "Love Thy Neighbour" and "Til Death Do Us Part" which kept this very visible.

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These people decided our future ... not joking or jesting:

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The fact that this was allowed to happen was a travesty.

But hey ... it's democracy in action ... which is apparently something we should be happy about. Let the most mentally challenged people in the country free to make the biggest decision in the country's history. Sounds legit.

All or nothing referendums are total and utter bullshit. That such a massive decision can be made by such a narrow margin is scandalous ... not to mention the brazen lies and manipulations that dominated the campaign. Most of the tards voting Leave did not have a clue what they were voting for.

... then again, the EU has become monstrous. It is completely undemocratic and unaccountable. It's ruled by the banks and finance in the interests of the banks and finance. This has spread massive national disunity across Europe. The EU's immigration policy is a joke. It required an intelligent debate. This was the opposite of intelligent.

I can't understand what they are saying??

[cardboardbox]

saw this on another forum:

Brexit. Grexit. Departugal. Italeave. Fruckoff. Czechout. Oustria. Finish. Slovakout. Latervia. Byegium.

[johnnya24]

I can't understand what they are saying??

You're one of the lucky ones then

Basically a bunch of jaw-droppingly-racist-xenophobic shit.

[johnnya24]

Maybe this is why our Senate has a 60% threshold for moving bills forward.

Probably won't amount to anything, but a govt petition has been set up to demand a second referendum ... already has 2.6m signatories:

EU Referendum Rules triggering a 2nd EU Referendum

We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.

Retrospective legislation? Doubt it. Just shows how unprepared, amateurish and complacent this whole process was.

[johnnya24]

Also pretty funny that Scotland were the strongest Remain vote region, and they are one of the most underrepresented region on the petition map:

http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=131215

With the SNP angling to use the Brexit turmoil to have another referendum almost immediately, that in itself brings the legitimacy of the referendum into view ... people were not being asked to vote on the break up if the UK. Scotland will 99.9% vote for independence in the wake of Brexit ... EU membership was a huge issue at last years vote.

[johnnya24]

[PaleoMan]

The reason why everything is falling apart nearly worldwide. Globalization is designed to steal wealth and redirect it upward, while the middle class has no such escape mechanism.

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[johnnya24]

The reason why everything is falling apart nearly worldwide. Globalization is designed to steal wealth and redirect it upward, while the middle class has no such escape mechanism.

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Squeeze the middle in order to force people to borrow more and more. Since we don't/can't produce wealth anymore, debt must be forced on the population in order to help compensate. Middle class incomes lead to a surplus and undesirable traits such as "savings" ... and property ownership.

Though blaming globalisation is kinda pointless. Globalisation is an unavoidable condition of modern capitalism. It's what the neo-liberals and complacent/ignorant political establishment have allowed the neo-liberals to do with it ... gradually, patiently, painstakingly stripping democracy from the West one "reform" at a time.

The most fundamental peace-time shift in power since the emergence of new money in the Industrial age 200 years ago, and it's happened in the space of just 30 years ... and in full view if anyone cares to look. Though it is much easier to blame all of our problems on immigrants as the Brexit and Trump campaigns have demonstrated. People love a good scapegoat.

I wouldn't say it's a matter of wealth being directed upwards, more that wealth is on the one hand being sucked out of society by the tsunami of purchasing (almost every major UK business is now in the hands of foreign / offshore ownership ... making Brexit even more stupid), and on the other, the mass of virtual currency to accommodate this. One of neo-liberalisms great innovations is preventing too much of this "printed" virtual money from ever escaping into the general economy and creating hyperinflation. That combined with lower lower and lower interest rates.

Basically invent money from thin air, buy everything, make sure the money only circulates in the "1%" to prevent an inflationary crisis. Lather rinse repeat until everything is consumed. It's a massive scam.

This is why the 99% occupy movement were so naive ... they were talking about redistributing this "wealth". Redistributing debt ... great idea Moonbeam. The whole point of neo-liberalism is to prevent this wealth from seeping out. Of course this debt bubble will explode spectacularly sometime in the future ... and take civilization down with it. Only a question of when. The longer it takes for the collapse the worse it will be, especially since there appears to be a triple whammy of overpopulation, environmental destruction and economic collapse all seeming to converge sometime in the mid/late 21st Century.

I don't see that anything can or will be done about this. We can only hope the collapse happens sooner rather than later (like now, and no bailouts). But as the 2008 crisis demonstrated, they will not allow the collapse to happen ... that's what tax payers are for.

[johnnya24]

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[PaleoMan]

Another reason the EU was despised in the UK. Meddling like this doesn't go over well.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/10/eu-to-launch-kettle-and-toaster-crackdown-after-brexit-vote2/

The EU is poised to ban high-powered appliances such as kettles, toasters, hair-dryers within months of Britain’s referendum vote, despite senior officials admitting the plan has brought them “ridicule”.

The European Commission plans to unveil long-delayed ‘ecodesign’ restrictions on small household appliances in the autumn. They are expected to ban the most energy-inefficient devices from sale in order to cut carbon emissions.

The plans have been ready for many months, but were shelved for fear of undermining the referendum campaign if they were perceived as an assault on the British staples of tea and toast.

[PaleoMan]

Squeeze the middle in order to force people to borrow more and more. Since we don't/can't produce wealth anymore, debt must be forced on the population in order to help compensate. Middle class incomes lead to a surplus and undesirable traits such as "savings" ... and property ownership.

Though blaming globalisation is kinda pointless. Globalisation is an unavoidable condition of modern capitalism. It's what the neo-liberals and complacent/ignorant political establishment have allowed the neo-liberals to do with it ... gradually, patiently, painstakingly stripping democracy from the West one "reform" at a time.

The most fundamental peace-time shift in power since the emergence of new money in the Industrial age 200 years ago, and it's happened in the space of just 30 years ... and in full view if anyone cares to look. Though it is much easier to blame all of our problems on immigrants as the Brexit and Trump campaigns have demonstrated. People love a good scapegoat.

I wouldn't say it's a matter of wealth being directed upwards, more that wealth is on the one hand being sucked out of society by the tsunami of purchasing (almost every major UK business is now in the hands of foreign / offshore ownership ... making Brexit even more stupid), and on the other, the mass of virtual currency to accommodate this. One of neo-liberalisms great innovations is preventing too much of this "printed" virtual money from ever escaping into the general economy and creating hyperinflation. That combined with lower lower and lower interest rates.

Basically invent money from thin air, buy everything, make sure the money only circulates in the "1%" to prevent an inflationary crisis. Lather rinse repeat until everything is consumed. It's a massive scam.

This is why the 99% occupy movement were so naive ... they were talking about redistributing this "wealth". Redistributing debt ... great idea Moonbeam. The whole point of neo-liberalism is to prevent this wealth from seeping out. Of course this debt bubble will explode spectacularly sometime in the future ... and take civilization down with it. Only a question of when. The longer it takes for the collapse the worse it will be, especially since there appears to be a triple whammy of overpopulation, environmental destruction and economic collapse all seeming to converge sometime in the mid/late 21st Century.

I don't see that anything can or will be done about this. We can only hope the collapse happens sooner rather than later (like now, and no bailouts). But as the 2008 crisis demonstrated, they will not allow the collapse to happen ... that's what tax payers are for.

Rampant globalization allows multinational corporations and high finance to work outside the smothering regulatory parameters of their home counties and maintain their high margins, while the rest of the population suffers a slow death, beset by increased usury demands and rising quality of life costs. As you eloquently described, at the end of the day the grueling debt wheel delivers all property and assets to those at the top with the most access to it.

[baldgriff]

So it wasnt all about the fear of the brown people??

[johnnya24]

So it wasnt all about the fear of the brown people??

The EU question has thousands of different angles and sub-issues. An in-out, all-or-nothing referendum was always going to come down to one issue and one issue alone ... immigration. The majority of white English/British people are closet racists and xenophobes, but the political correctness of the media, and the formalities of the workplace/public places, has allowed in the delusion that we are somehow a more progressive accepting nation than we really are ... we gave the keys of the castle to the morons for one day, and the walls are now falling down around us.

Don't blame the morons, blame the people who gave them the keys ... oh wait, they've all resigned ... that's convenient ... David Cameron remember has been an anti-EU advocate his whole career.

[baldgriff]

I dont know what the economic or sociological impact is in the UK to the Polish. That said, the example of given regarding the Polish seem to undermine the idea that its just all about the brown people. While I agree racism exists - Nationalism is not necessarily racism (though I am sure that there are those that disagree).