Is it too early for a new bad trade offer thread?

[virgonomic]

I am new to this a.l. only 12 team redraft league. I own the kyle seager side and received this offer yesterday:

XXXXXX have offered you a Trade: Leury Garcia, Lonnie Chisenhall, Danny Farquhar and Mark Buehrle for Kyle Seager, Howie Kendrick, C.J. Wilson
and Colby Lewis

This thread came up in a search, but you might be winning this trade, had you done it, given how bad CJ and Colby have been.

[mjl]

I'm in a 10-team NL 5x5 and I am considering dumping. One team has a $5B Puig that I am interested in, and I said I'd be willing to give him a $16/2016 Freeman and another useful piece. (Unfortunately most of my really useful pieces are also good keepers so it's hard to make a big deal.) Here are his offers:

Votto ($41A) for Cishek ($5X), Fister ($17A), Parra ($11A), Roark ($10A) - he's also willing to include Frieri ($7A) for AJ Burnett ($2X).
Puig ($5B), Machi ($10A), Espinosa ($12A), JGarcia ($1A), Lambo ($5R) for Cishek, Fister, Parra, Roark, Freeman.

Cutch and Braun went for $48 in auction this year, so Votto has to be at most $5 under value, and I don't even think he is given his problems this year, so I have no idea what's up with the first offer.

[virgonomic]

The 5th place team (top 4 get paid) offered:

Choo 26 Cespedes 23 Miller 1X Ackley 10 Gausman 1X

for my:

Singleton 1 JD Martinez 1 Cruz 11 Skaggs 2 EEscobar 6

I'm not sure what it is. Dump trade? He basically included all of my good freezes. He did not offer Kipnis, Reyes, CYoung who would actually help me. I simply replied "Need SB and SP", which I informed the league of weeks ago.

[Hornsby]

The 5th place team (top 4 get paid) offered:

Choo 26 Cespedes 23 Miller 1X Ackley 10 Gausman 1X

for my:

Singleton 1 JD Martinez 1 Cruz 11 Skaggs 2 EEscobar 6

I'm not sure what it is. Dump trade? He basically included all of my good freezes. He did not offer Kipnis, Reyes, CYoung who would actually help me. I simply replied "Need SB and SP", which I informed the league of weeks ago.

So what place are you currently in? And what does an "X" contract signify in your league? I have a hard time understanding why Gausman would be an expiring contract at this point in his career...

[virgonomic]

So what place are you currently in? And what does an "X" contract signify in your league? I have a hard time understanding why Gausman would be an expiring contract at this point in his career...

I'm in 3rd, 10 out of first. He is 10.5 behind me.

We have one-year keepers, so the Xs were frozen this year and therefore expire this year.

[Hornsby]

I'm in 3rd, 10 out of first. He is 10.5 behind me.

We have one-year keepers, so the Xs were frozen this year and therefore expire this year.

Well then, this is clearly NOT a bad trade offer at all, it's a deal that will undoubtedly help you no matter what Cats you may currently. Everyone you're being offered is a clear upgrade from the players that you'd be dealing away, with the possible exception of Ackley, who's crap. But with only one year keepers, those contracts are essentially irrelevant IMO...

[virgonomic]

Well then, this is clearly NOT a bad trade offer at all, it's a deal that will undoubtedly help you no matter what Cats you may currently. Everyone you're being offered is a clear upgrade from the players that you'd be dealing away, with the possible exception of Ackley, who's crap. But with only one year keepers, those contracts are essentially irrelevant IMO...

Not to the team in 10th place. My guys represent varying amounts of 2015 value. The bottom-feeders are better off with them than the at- and over-valued players they currently have.

I need SP and SB so the trade really doesn't help me. Furthermore, I don't see how any of the offered players are upgrades over my guys. Cespedes has 0 HR in the past 28d and Choo is hitting .200. Gausman is not guaranteed a rotation spot going forward. It looks to me like he is trying to unload all his underperforming guys for 5 good freezes whom he can either flip or keep. That's why it's a bad trade offer.

JD Martinez 1 >> Choo 26
Cruz 11 >> Cespedes 23
EEscobar 6 > Miller 1X
Singleton 1 > Ackley 10
Skaggs 2 < Gausman 1X

[revo]

I offered Derek Norris for Sandoval. They are very close in YTD value, other owner is starting Castro at C, seemed like a fair offer to me.

He counters with Sandoval for Harper and Lohse.

LOL!

This is a month old, but no way is a platoon catcher worth Sandoval, at whatever stage he's at. His counter was garbage, but your offer was pretty easy to reject.

[Hornsby]

Not to the team in 10th place. My guys represent varying amounts of 2015 value. The bottom-feeders are better off with them than the at- and over-valued players they currently have.

I need SP and SB so the trade really doesn't help me. Furthermore, I don't see how any of the offered players are upgrades over my guys. Cespedes has 0 HR in the past 28d and Choo is hitting .200. Gausman is not guaranteed a rotation spot going forward. It looks to me like he is trying to unload all his underperforming guys for 5 good freezes whom he can either flip or keep. That's why it's a bad trade offer.

JD Martinez 1 >> Choo 26
Cruz 11 >> Cespedes 23
EEscobar 6 > Miller 1X
Singleton 1 > Ackley 10
Skaggs 2 < Gausman 1X

Honestly, I couldn't disagree with your assesment of these players more...I think that you're wrong in every case but Ackley and maybe Cruz. Martinez, Cruz, and Escobar are all likely to experience regression to the mean, while Cespedes, Choo, and Miller will likely do the same in a positive manner. I see you as holding onto players who've had their best months, while ignoring players who've traditionally preformed much better than they currently have. I also don't see a 1 year keeper contract as having a great deal of value, no matter what place a team may be in. But it's your league, and you know the owners and parameters better...good luck.

[revo]

Honestly, I couldn't disagree with your assesment of these players more...I think that you're wrong in every case but Ackley and maybe Cruz. Martinez, Cruz, and Escobar are all likely to experience regression to the mean, while Cespedes, Choo, and Miller will likely do the same in a positive manner. I see you as holding onto players who've had their best months, while ignoring players who've traditionally preformed much better than they currently have. I also don't see a 1 year keeper contract as having a great deal of value, no matter what place a team may be in. But it's your league, and you know the owners and parameters better...good luck.

This was my thinking as well.

[virgonomic]

I appreciate your opinions, guys. I do like Cespedes best of the bunch. Choo scares the bejesus out of me. He's in an 0-21 slump and hasn't done much for 2 months. Either the ankle or the big contract are affecting him. I don't see him as a player I can count on to rebound this year.

Also, this owner tried a similar move a year ago, telling me he was playing for 4th place but also playing for next year, trying to trade for my best freezes. The return was A-Rod and a $9 Tex, among others. He certainly isn't dumping, and you can't have your cake and eat it too. Also, I could keep my guys and still finish top 3. Pitching is my main need and this trade doesn't address it. I am 1st in RBI, 2nd in AVG, 3rd in HR.

[mjl]

I'm in a 10-team NL 5x5 and I am considering dumping. One team has a $5B Puig that I am interested in, and I said I'd be willing to give him a $16/2016 Freeman and another useful piece. (Unfortunately most of my really useful pieces are also good keepers so it's hard to make a big deal.) Here are his offers:

Votto ($41A) for Cishek ($5X), Fister ($17A), Parra ($11A), Roark ($10A) - he's also willing to include Frieri ($7A) for AJ Burnett ($2X).
Puig ($5B), Machi ($10A), Espinosa ($12A), JGarcia ($1A), Lambo ($5R) for Cishek, Fister, Parra, Roark, Freeman.

Cutch and Braun went for $48 in auction this year, so Votto has to be at most $5 under value, and I don't even think he is given his problems this year, so I have no idea what's up with the first offer.

I think maybe he just really values expensive players differently than I do. He correctly identified that I am dumping now that Goldschmidt and Lee are both irrelevant for the rest of the year and offered me this deal:

Tulowitzki ($44B) and Frieri ($7A) for Freeman ($16/2016), AJ Burnett ($3X), Parra ($11A).

So he clearly thinks that Tulo is a better keeper than Freeman, right?

[Hornsby]

I think maybe he just really values expensive players differently than I do. He correctly identified that I am dumping now that Goldschmidt and Lee are both irrelevant for the rest of the year and offered me this deal:

Tulowitzki ($44B) and Frieri ($7A) for Freeman ($16/2016), AJ Burnett ($3X), Parra ($11A).

So he clearly thinks that Tulo is a better keeper than Freeman, right?

Well, Tulo IS better than Freeman, no matter how you look at it. But at 44 with the inevitable month or two off, no thanks, been there, done that. As much as I think that Freeman is a "meh" 1st baseman, at 16 he's a much better deal.

[Moonlight J]

I think maybe he just really values expensive players differently than I do. He correctly identified that I am dumping now that Goldschmidt and Lee are both irrelevant for the rest of the year and offered me this deal:

Tulowitzki ($44B) and Frieri ($7A) for Freeman ($16/2016), AJ Burnett ($3X), Parra ($11A).

So he clearly thinks that Tulo is a better keeper than Freeman, right?

Yea, he can be like that

[mjl]

Well, Tulo IS better than Freeman, no matter how you look at it. But at 44 with the inevitable month or two off, no thanks, been there, done that. As much as I think that Freeman is a "meh" 1st baseman, at 16 he's a much better deal.

Freeman also looks a lot better in an NL-only; Goldschmidt and Rizzo are better but I'm not sure anyone else is.