Looks like the Biogenesis suspensions are coming

[chancellor]

Sooooo... this Bosch guy who went on ESPN and said the players didn't do PEDs, is now going to be the star witness in MLB's case that they did? Good luck with that. Sure, he was probably lying through his teeth on ESPN but now that it's out there, it sure does make things a lot uglier. Ask any prosecutor how they'd feel about their star witness making public statements about the defendant's innocence.

I really hope Selig has better evidence than that or he's going to get his ass handed to him in court.

I don't think it goes to court. If they're suspended, they can appeal, but it's to binding arbitration, not court. A civil case requires the burden of proof to be met with a "preponderance" of the evidence, but I'm not sure if that would be the same in a binding arb case. One of the legal minds on here could weigh in.

[Long John]

I honestly have no idea what the possible endgame here is for Selig and MLB.

Can anyone say, "Contraction"?!?! This reeks of another poorly disguised used-car-salesman tactic to gain leverage for the next CBA negotiations. Selig has spent 20 years trying to lessen the power of the union. Anything that loosens the players footing is a good thing in his mind. His lack of foresight and strategy is mind boggling.

F- MLB and f- Selig.

[Pogues]

Selig's an ass and a moron. How he was ever put in charge of anything, I'll never know.

Be that as it may, if players used PEDs, I want them all to pay a penalty. Not a second penalty on the same time-frame PED use, though.

[Hammer]

We should all be as big of a moron as Bud Selig is.

[wannabegriffey]

The morons here are Braun and A-Rod and the like.

Exactly.

[joncarlos]

Um, we're mad at Selig for pursuing penalties for cheaters? The real morons here are Braun and A-Rod and the like.

The real morons are the idiots who came up with "innocent until proven guilty"

Who runs a country like that? String 'em up even if there's a hint of suspicion.

[Hammer]

The real morons are the idiots who came up with "innocent until proven guilty"

Who runs a country like that? String 'em up even if there's a hint of suspicion.

how does that apply here?

[Hammer]

They are not being accused of crimes, joncarlos.


Still, I assumed that everyone would understand that the caveat of actual proven guilt would apply to my statement. So I'll make it clearer: The real morons, should it be proven that they cheated, are Braun and A-Rod and the like. I totally fail to see how Selig should get any grief whatsoever for this.

especially since A-Rod is an admitted cheater, as is Melky. Braun was caught and got off on a technicality.

[wannabegriffey]

Fixed.

especially since A-Rod is an admitted cheater, as is Melky. Braun was caught and got off on a TRANSPORTATION technicality.

[whalewang]

I totally fail to see how Selig should get any grief whatsoever for this.

I agree. Illegal drug use seems to be a polarizing issue.

[joncarlos]

They are not being accused of crimes, joncarlos.

Still, I assumed that everyone would understand that the caveat of actual proven guilt would apply to my statement. So I'll make it clearer: The real morons, should it be proven that they cheated, are Braun and A-Rod and the like. I totally fail to see how Selig should get any grief whatsoever for this.

Because he is specifically attempting to punish them without proving their guilt. The union collectively bargained a process which says that if you fail a test, you're suspended. They didn't agree to "also, if you do anything that Bud doesn't like, you can be punished for that too."

If Selig can actually get reasonable proof that they're guilty, then yes, string 'em up. But this heavy-handed way of deciding the punishments first and then trying to justify them doesn't sit with me.

[Hammer]

Because he is specifically attempting to punish them without proving their guilt. The union collectively bargained a process which says that if you fail a test, you're suspended. They didn't agree to "also, if you do anything that Bud doesn't like, you can be punished for that too."

If Selig can actually get reasonable proof that they're guilty, then yes, string 'em up. But this heavy-handed way of deciding the punishments first and then trying to justify them doesn't sit with me.

you mean because some of these players found loopholes to skirt failed drug tests, MLB should just look past all the alleged evidence surrounding these people taking PEDs while being in the majors? Wow.

[Moonlight J]

Things I care less about than this investigation:

[TranaGreg]

you mean because some of these players found loopholes to skirt failed drug tests, MLB should just look past all the alleged evidence surrounding these people taking PEDs while being in the majors? Wow.

huh? where did he say that???

[Hammer]

huh? where did he say that???

well then translate what he said for me please. Where is bud attempting to punish them without their due process? I must be missing something.