Looks like the Biogenesis suspensions are coming

[Grinch]

if you're not sure if you're a buyer or a seller, maybe wait a couple of days til the dust settles...

It's gonna be more than a couple of days. IIRC nothing gets divulged (officially) until the player loses their appeal, given the supposed number of players and the 'credibility' of a guy who may be testifying as a condition of immunity...........pack a lunch......this may take a while.....

[Bodhizefa]

This is the headline story on CNN.com now. If that's what Selig wanted, then he got it. I can't see a single person who gains interest in baseball because of this, though. Steroids are so polarizing at this point that having such a massive contingent of players be suspended would pretty much sell me on the likelihood that the whole game is dirty. For purposes of interest level in the game, better for fans to have a suspension of disbelief when it comes to such things than for the realism to rear its ugly head.

[schlesinj]

Other name of importance: SB leader Evereth Cabrera

[Hornsby]

This might not be hearsay. It certainly sounds as if the guy will testify as to what he personally did and observed. As to whether or not his testimony is credible that is another story.

Without evidence, actual hard evidence, including photos and the like, pretty much everything said in this case is going to be hearsay. Now this isn't a court of law, so the rules are different for the level of guilt needed to impose a suspension, but to this point, MLB seems to have a scared business owner and not much else. He might have some documents, but IIRC, many of those were handwritten, with initials and codes stating who got what. VERY hard to prove that RB is indeed Ryan Braun without some hard physical evidence.

And again, the union isn't just going to roll over on this, this is going to be a long, drawn out process that will likely go before an arbitrator. And based on what's been presented so far, MLB will lose because they're overstepping once again.

Frankly, at this point, I don't care anymore, I just want to watch baseball and enjoy it...

[james33]

Other name of importance: SB leader Evereth Cabrera

Where are you finding the other names?

[Judge Jude]

from ESPN

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/9301536/major-league-baseball-suspend-20-players-including-alex-rodriguez-ryan-braun-part-miami-investigation

POSSIBLE trouble ahead for

Player Team
Ryan Braun Brewers
Everth Cabrera Padres
Melky Cabrera Blue Jays
Francisco Cervelli Yankees
Bartolo Colon Athletics
Nelson Cruz Rangers
Fautino de los Santos Free agent
Gio Gonzalez* Nationals
Yasmani Grandal Padres
Fernando Martinez Astros
Jesus Montero Mariners
Jordan Norberto Free agent
Jhonny Peralta Tigers
Cesar Puello** Mets
Alex Rodriguez Yankees

* Sources told ESPN that Gonzalez received only legal substances
** minor leaguer, not a member of the MLB Players Association

[joncarlos]

Sooooo... this Bosch guy who went on ESPN and said the players didn't do PEDs, is now going to be the star witness in MLB's case that they did? Good luck with that. Sure, he was probably lying through his teeth on ESPN but now that it's out there, it sure does make things a lot uglier. Ask any prosecutor how they'd feel about their star witness making public statements about the defendant's innocence.

In a recent interview with ESPN, his only one since the scandal broke, Bosch said he knew nothing about performance-enhancing drugs and that media accounts of his alleged PED distribution amounted to "character assassination."

Shown a list of athletes who allegedly received PEDs through Biogenesis, Bosch told ESPN's Pedro Gomez, "No comment. I have never seen that in my life.

I really hope Selig has better evidence than that or he's going to get his ass handed to him in court. I'd like to believe that he can't be that short-sighted but he seems to have a pretty strong case of tunnel vision when it comes to the PED issue.

As for Robbie Cano, yes, he is somewhat implicated. I believe that someone who works for his charitable foundation appeared on the Biogenesis list. So the link to Cano is even shakier than the links to Braun, A-Rod, Cervelli, etc.

[Moonlight J]

from the ESPN article:

"One source familiar with the case said the commissioner's office might seek 100-game suspensions for Rodriguez, Braun and other players, the penalty for a second doping offense. The argument, the source said, is the players' connection to Bosch constitutes one offense, and previous statements to MLB officials denying any such connection or the use of PEDs constitutes another."

That's some bullshit right there.

but that's what the union & the league agreed to in the latest agreement. There's a non-analytical clause there that allows them to do this.

[TopChuckie]

As for Robbie Cano, yes, he is somewhat implicated. I believe that someone who works for his charitable foundation appeared on the Biogenesis list. So the link to Cano is even shakier than the links to Braun, A-Rod, Cervelli, etc.

I think they are almost all guilty and where there is any smoke at all, I believe there is fire, when it comes to PED's, but I can't imagine any way this could hold up if it's all they have on Cano. Prove to me she has never met and has no association with any other baseball player and could not possibly have any non-Cano related reason for contacting Biogenesis.

[Moonlight J]

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/bl...ase-this-time/ <----- good

[Moonlight J]

I think they are almost all guilty and where there is any smoke at all, I believe there is fire, when it comes to PED's, but I can't imagine any way this could hold up if it's all they have on Cano. Prove to me she has never met and has no association with any other baseball player and could not possibly have any non-Cano related reason for contacting Biogenesis.

Burden of proof lies on both sides equally

[james33]

I agree that the case for suspensions generally seem shaky.

More good news for for what it is worth, the legal analyst on espn radio this morning said that any possible suspensions are unlikely to take place this year, because of appeals.

[TopChuckie]

Burden of proof lies on both sides equally

Cano: "She wasn't dealing with them on my behalf. Here is an empty box of all the correspondence I don't have instructing her to buy PEDs for me."

[Judge Jude]

I agree that the case for suspensions generally seem shaky.

More good news for for what it is worth, the legal analyst on espn radio this morning said that any possible suspensions are unlikely to take place this year, because of appeals.

that would be bad news for more owners than it would be good news for. the 90+ pct of owners who don't have Braun surely agree

[amcg]

I honestly have no idea what the possible endgame here is for Selig and MLB.