2K15: Paul Goldschmidt

[onejayhawk]

Paul Goldschmidt seems to be the unstated star of the early season. In the industry mock, he went #45, just ahead of Teixeira and Arian Gonzalez. Bill James gives him a slash line of .283/.375/.501 over 650 PA, with 100+ R and RBI, and a bonus of 15 SB. Yet, if you use the CAIRO projections, AG is #3 among 1B, Tex is #6 and Goldschmidt is #9.

What's up with that?

Since I have both Goldscmidt and Votto in a keeper league, I am set for a really nice Util player this year, and a nut to crack this time next year.

J

[pjs24]

I can honestly say any projection or ranking system that has Goldy behind Teix is one I'm not interested in using. The speed alone makes em no worse than equal and that'd take regression from Goldy which I personally don't see coming.

[onejayhawk]

My question would be between Goldschmidt and Rizzo.

J

[pjs24]

My question would be between Goldschmidt and Rizzo.

J

Goldschmidt easily for me. Gonna be a bit more cautious with Rizzo learning from the Hosmer and Lawrie cases.

[onejayhawk]

My question would be between Goldschmidt and Rizzo.

J

According to the mock draft, this is not close. Goldschmidt #46, Rizzo #115.

J

[Gregg]

According to the mock draft, this is not close. Goldschmidt #46, Rizzo #115.

J

Maybe people rememeber Rizzo's terrible debut. Maybe they know that the surrounding cast of the Cubs sucks. Maybe it the SB's that Goldy gives. Maybe some have a tendency to focus on just last years stats and Goldschmidt's were pretty good.

Rizzo could be pretty good this year but I would rather have Goldschmidt by a mile.

[BigJonEmpire]

Maybe people rememeber Rizzo's terrible debut. Maybe they know that the surrounding cast of the Cubs sucks. Maybe it the SB's that Goldy gives. Maybe some have a tendency to focus on just last years stats and Goldschmidt's were pretty good.

Rizzo could be pretty good this year but I would rather have Goldschmidt by a mile.

It could also be that those drafting pre-draft guides and such haven't seen more recent Rizzo scouting reports. Primarily that he fixed the loop in his swing. It can still get long but much more compact than previously seen.

[onejayhawk]

I agree. I also prefer Goldschmidt, but this seems quite late for Rizzo. I see him as the 3rd best 1B in the NL.

J

[swampdragon]

I agree. I also prefer Goldschmidt, but this seems quite late for Rizzo. I see him as the 3rd best 1B in the NL.

J

So Rizzo is behind
Votto and Posey
but ahead of
A-Gonz
Goldschmidt
Freeman
Craig
Howard
LaRoche

not really

[pjs24]

I agree. I also prefer Goldschmidt, but this seems quite late for Rizzo. I see him as the 3rd best 1B in the NL.

J

You see Rizzo as the third best NL 1b?

[DJBeasties]

Pre-surgery I would put Cory Hart plus Ike Davis, Paul Goldschmidt, Freddie Freeman, Adam LaRoche, Garrett Jones, Allen Craig, and AGon ahead of Rizzo.

[BigJonEmpire]

So Rizzo is behind
Votto and Posey
but ahead of
A-Gonz
Goldschmidt
Freeman
Craig
Howard
LaRoche

not really

Rare is the owner that would prefer to play Posey at first base rather than at catcher.

[pjs24]

Rare is the owner that would prefer to play Posey at first base rather than at catcher.

Yeah, I don't even rank Posey, Santana, or Mauer as 1Bs. I'll NEVER play them there. You're not getting any advantage with 3 Cs in your daily lineup so I'm not sure why they're ranked at those secondary on some sites. Honestly they should rank them lower with an asterisk and explain that if you're putting them at 1B and housing 3 Cs, you're destroying their value.

[Erik]

The commish of my main league ALWAYS plays multi-position guys at their rarer position, even catchers at 1B. I've never pointed out to him how stupid that is, since it hurts him, not me.

[onejayhawk]

So Rizzo is behind
Votto and Posey
but ahead of
A-Gonz
Goldschmidt
Freeman
Craig
Howard
LaRoche

not really

Really. Playing full time in Wrigley, I think he makes a pretty obvious argument.

After Votto and Goldschmidt. Posey is a C,Craig is an OF, Howard pancaked. LaRoche and Freeman you can argue. AGonz is the one I forgot.

So, excepting Adrian Gonzalez only, I think it is a defensible statement. It mostly depends on your opinion of LaRoche and Freeman. Even AG is no slam dunk this year.

J