Pineda to the Yankees for Montero

[BuckyBuckner]

I was under the impression that they were trying to get under the luxury tax this year because the penalty going from 20% to 40% if you are over the cap for three consecutive years. I'm assuming signing Kuroda puts them over the cap (or where they already over it)? But that is a really good rotation now.

[revo]

I think this is a home run for the Yanks. Ballsy deal, but I like it a lot for them.

[Judge Jude]

I think the Yankees knew they just didn't have the pitching horses to win for 2012, so the two moves are smart.

They gamble that some of the young arms are ready to start 2013; if so, they can save money there and sign a veteran who hits like Montero probably will on the cheap....

[BigJonEmpire]

But get back Campos who is fairly highly regarded as well (#5 in Seattle system by Sickels)

No doubt. Just depressed, two of my favorites are gone before we ever got a season out of them.

[Bob Kohm]

I fear that Pineda gets shelled at Yankee Stadium given his FB rate; coupled with my Montero man-crush this is something that will probably take a few days to look better for me.

[BuckyBuckner]

From ScoutingReport.com

An Iron Mike style strike throwing machine from Venezuela, righthander Jose Campos looked awfully polished in his first taste of US ball last year, using his 95-98mph fastball with pinpoint control on the way to a 2.32 ERA and 0.971 WHIP in 82 innings of work with low-A Everett (Northwest League). He struck out a sizzling 85 batters in that time and walked only 13. Did we mention that he really, really throws a lot of strikes?...

This makes me feel a little better.

[Bodhizefa]

Campos is actually a good pitching prospect, by the way. So Pineda may be the main haul for the Yankees, but he's certainly not the only valuable commodity in the deal for them. Campos has as good a chance as any at his age to be at least #3-type starter, with upside as a #2.

[Bodhizefa]

I'm not a huge fan from an M's perspective, but only because we had to give up Campos, too. I think Pineda should have been worth pretty close to Montero all by himself, and tossing in Campos, who is a very good pitching prospect in and of himself, seems like an overpay. Factor in Safeco's dimensions, and I feel like Montero will likely have some difficulty reaching his full potential there. Still, I love Montero, and the M's have jack and squat on the farm in terms of hitters. If they weren't going to sign Prince Fielder (and this pretty obviously puts them out of that race, at least at first glance), then trading pitching for hitting was the only way to make their woeful organizational offense better. And now I don't have to wonder "what if" after the Cliff Lee for Montero deal was quashed at the last minute

[joncarlos]

I was under the impression that they were trying to get under the luxury tax this year because the penalty going from 20% to 40% if you are over the cap for three consecutive years. I'm assuming signing Kuroda puts them over the cap (or where they already over it)? But that is a really good rotation now.

According to a link I got from Jay Jaffe, the years with the crazy cap are 2014-2016, so their real goal is to be under 190 for those years.

[revo]

so should we assume the Yanks will now go out and get themselves a DH, although a platoon of Nunez & Andruw Jones wouldn't be bad (even if it is un-Yankee like). A Hideki Matsui return, perhaps?

[Moonlight J]

so should we assume the Yanks will now go out and get themselves a DH, although a platoon of Nunez & Andruw Jones wouldn't be bad (even if it is un-Yankee like). A Hideki Matsui return, perhaps?

Damon, Pena, Matsui...any lefty will do them fine

[Skrappy1]

I'm crushed to see Montero go, but Pineda is a pretty good young arm, so I guess it's a fair enough deal. I don't know anything about Campos other than what I've read in the last half hour, but he sounds like a decent supplementary piece of the deal for the Yankees. The one thing I don't understand is, the Yankees have several good young arms on the way in Banuelos and Betances. They don't really have any other impact bats in the system that are close to being major league ready. It makes me wonder if Cashman has something else lined up to deal away a package including one of the Killer Bs for another young bat or something.

[joncarlos]

Damon, Pena, Matsui...any lefty will do them fine

Pena is the move for me. Sits against lefties, with Nunez playing either 3B/SS and A-Rod/Jeter DH-ing. And gives Tex an occasional day off.

[joncarlos]

Don't sleep on Noesi, though. The kid has been nothing short of outstanding at every stop so far in his minor league career. He's a big injury risk but has great, great stuff. I'm not sure how exactly he compares to Campos but he's no slouch.

This, I agree with. He is going to be awesome in Safeco. Does he go right into the M's rotation? He only threw about 80 innings last year, FIP and xFIP right around 4. Do the Ms really only have Felix, Vargas and a bunch of maybes? (Beaven, Iwakuma, etc)

[Big Tymer]

This, I agree with. He is going to be awesome in Safeco. Does he go right into the M's rotation? He only threw about 80 innings last year, FIP and xFIP right around 4. Do the Ms really only have Felix, Vargas and a bunch of maybes? (Beaven, Iwakuma, etc)

James Paxton perhaps?