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    The Closer Role/Mentality

    I'm trying to find examples of top tier set up guys--stud 7th and 8th inning arms, who were given a shot at closing, but couldn't cut it in the 9th inning role, but once put back into the set up spots, regained their form as stud set up guys.

    Can anyone help find me some examples?

    Thanks!
    If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

    Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
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    Wasn't that the word on Madson before this year? I think what you're looking for doesn't exist but I'll be interested to see how many examples are found.
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    • #3
      Latroy Hawkins
      After former Broncos quarterback Brian Griese sprained his ankle and said he was tripped on the stairs of his home by his golden retriever, Bella: “The dog stood up on his hind legs and gave him a push? You might want to get rid of that dog, or put him in the circus, one of the two.”

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      • #4
        Arthur Rhodes strikes me as a prime example.

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        • #5
          Those would have been my two as well. They're really aren't that many - the job isn't really that hard, which is why (in the regular season at least) the pct of SV converted isn't all that different for the bulk of closers.
          finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
          own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
          won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84

          SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
          RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
          C Stallings 2, Casali 1
          1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
          OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Judge Jude View Post
            Those would have been my two as well. They're really aren't that many - the job isn't really that hard, which is why (in the regular season at least) the pct of SV converted isn't all that different for the bulk of closers.
            tell that to Leo Nunez and Carlos Marmol
            After former Broncos quarterback Brian Griese sprained his ankle and said he was tripped on the stairs of his home by his golden retriever, Bella: “The dog stood up on his hind legs and gave him a push? You might want to get rid of that dog, or put him in the circus, one of the two.”

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            • #7
              Rafael Betancourt

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Hammer View Post
                Latroy Hawkins
                Ding, ding, ding!! He's the best example, IMO. Even at his advanced age, he still has a plus fastball and wicked breaking stuff. But he's had very, very limited success closing.
                I'm just here for the baseball.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by chancellor View Post
                  Ding, ding, ding!! He's the best example, IMO. Even at his advanced age, he still has a plus fastball and wicked breaking stuff. But he's had very, very limited success closing.
                  Yeah, he was the first guy that came to mind for me as well.
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                  • #10
                    Latroy was the first guy I thought of as well. Didn't Farnsy have this tag for a long time? I think his issue was more with his HR tendencies than his head. Maybe Latroy is also a fly-ball guy and it's somehow related?

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                    • #11
                      I think Farnsworth qualifies, yes.

                      Nunez's stuff is not that great, imo, while Marmol I suspect gets his mechanics/mind out of whack on occasion, but has the stuff where you ride it out.
                      finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
                      own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
                      won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84

                      SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
                      RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
                      C Stallings 2, Casali 1
                      1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
                      OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Judge Jude View Post
                        I think Farnsworth qualifies, yes.

                        Nunez's stuff is not that great, imo, while Marmol I suspect gets his mechanics/mind out of whack on occasion, but has the stuff where you ride it out.
                        Farnsworth qualifies as what? He's been one of the best closers this year.
                        If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
                        - Terence McKenna

                        Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)

                        How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige

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                        • #13
                          Aaron Heilman
                          Mike Stanton
                          Ocatvio Dotel (?)

                          edit to add Doug Brocail
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                          "Certainly. You take the blonde and I'll take the one in the turban!"

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                          • #14
                            Scot Downs is a pretty fantastic setup guy, but never could hold onto the closer's role when given the reigns.
                            Larry David was once being heckled, long before any success. Heckler says "I'm taking my dog over to fuck your mother, weekly." Larry responds "I hate to tell you this, but your dog isn't liking it."

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                            • #15
                              Farnsworth HAS qualified.
                              Wait, the American League is still around?

                              finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
                              own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
                              won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84

                              SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
                              RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
                              C Stallings 2, Casali 1
                              1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
                              OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1

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