Broken up w 1 out in the 7th by Eric Haase of all players.
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Rodon's bid today made me wonder how many times a pitcher has thrown 2 no-hitters in one season. If you count only the regular season the answer is 4: Johnny VanderMeer in 1938, Allie Reynolds in 1951, Virgil Trucks in 1952 (he went only 5-19 that year!) and Nolan Ryan in 1973. If you include the post-season, then there is one more: Roy Halladay - 1 in the regular season and 1 in the NLDS in 2010.Last edited by rhd; 06-13-2021, 08:03 PM.
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostWow, the Trucks stat is a hell of a trivia question. Going 5-19 while throwing 2 no hitters is a crazy stat. Forty percent of his wins for no hitters.
7.2 IP with 1 ER.
A complete game shutout with 6 hits allowed.
A 1 hitter.
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostThat is bonkers. Did he suck in the 19 loses or did he just have run support that even make DeGrom grateful?
7 of his losses were of the QS variety. But he had several really, really bad starts too (for example, 5 ER while getting just 1 out in his last start of the year). Overall he was a below average pitcher for the year (95 ERA+).
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Originally posted by Ken View PostA little of both.
7 of his losses were of the QS variety. But he had several really, really bad starts too (for example, 5 ER while getting just 1 out in his last start of the year). Overall he was a below average pitcher for the year (95 ERA+).
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostJust looked him up. yeah, not super great overall. The K rate was particular poor, which makes the 2 no hitters all the more surprising.
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Originally posted by Ken View PostFor '52 that was a good K rate. Spahn led the league in Ks with 183, posting a 5.7 K/9. Trucks' 5.9 was elite (6th overall).
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostI knew K rates were lower back then, but that is surprising. I always assumed that increased K rates correlated with more no hitters, but I am guessing that may not be the case, if K rates were so low back then and there were still no hitters happening at a decent clip.
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Originally posted by Ken View Post...In '52 league wide BABIP was just .271...
The lowest Babip I saw I think was 1968 (the "year of the pitcher"), which was .269. The highest was 1930 (the "year of the hitter"), which was .312. The highest Babip in recent years was .303 in 2007, which was after they implemented PED testing.
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostThis is interesting, because I would have thought all the data on spray charts and the increased use of data driven shifts would lead to lower BABIP, all other things being equal.
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Originally posted by Ken View PostIt likely does, all other things being equal. But compare the body of an average 1950s hitter to an average 2010s hitter and you'll note that all other things are not equal. We don't have exit velocity data for historical periods, but I suspect if we did it would be notably lower on average.Last edited by Sour Masher; 06-14-2021, 02:53 PM.
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostYeah, but that works both ways, doesn't it--better athletes make for better fielders, I would think, although I guess the strength gains leading to harder hit balls must far outpace the increases in fast-twitch athleticism leading to players getting to more balls than before. It is a little surprising to me that the hard hit rates would not only even out all the defensive gains and all of the positioning gains, but do so significantly. But I suspect with so many three true outcome players, I guess BABIP rise is inevitable based on increased HR rates alone. If we take the HR differences out of the equation, and BABIP is still higher, I'd be flummoxed.
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