Originally posted by chancellor
View Post
Announcement
Collapse
No announcement yet.
Announcement
Collapse
No announcement yet.
MLB Trade Deadline deals
Collapse
X
-
Originally posted by B-Fly View PostHmm. I guess we differ in what was predictable and what was bad luck. I thought team management did an excellent job acquiring Madson, Doolittle and Kintzler to shore up the bullpen at the 2017 trade deadline.
Comment
-
Originally posted by Ken View PostAgree, and as far as the rotation, they have Scherzer, Stras, and then Gio and Roark have both been in the top 10 in Cy Young voting within the last couple years. There's nothing wrong with that rotation from a talent perspective.
1. Gio Gonzalez's WHIP the last four years is 1.42, 1.34, 1.18, and 1.55. His walk rates/9 in that same time frame are 3.5, 3.0, 3.5, and 4.5. His K rates are good, but hardly exceptional over that same time frame, ranging from 8.0 to 8.7.
2. Gio Gonzalez's top 10 Cy Young voting year came on the back of a 2.58 BABIP and 81.6% strand rate. When those numbers normalized the year prior and after, he's proven to be mid-4s ERA, high WHIP, high walk pitcher.
3. I'd put Gio in the bottom quartile of NL SPs, but he does get bonus points for durability, which carries value.
4. Tanner Roark is a slight bit better than Gio - in the three non-CY top ten years he's had, his had ERAs in the low to mid 4's with WHIPs in the 1.26 to 1.33 range. He's certainly not the walk machine that Gio has been. I'll also note those years have fairly normal BABIP's and strand rates.
5. Tanner Roark's top ten CY year? Yup, again, the hit and strand rate numbers aligned in his favor at the same time - .269 BABIP and just under a 80% strand rate.
6. But again, Roark gets bonus points for good durability.I'm just here for the baseball.
Comment
-
Originally posted by B-Fly View PostHmm. I guess we differ in what was predictable and what was bad luck. I thought team management did an excellent job acquiring Madson, Doolittle and Kintzler to shore up the bullpen at the 2017 trade deadline.I'm just here for the baseball.
Comment
-
Originally posted by chancellor View PostGio and Roark might be two of the most overrated starting pitchers in the NL. I'll hold to my assertation that they're third-quartile SPs based on:
1. Gio Gonzalez's WHIP the last four years is 1.42, 1.34, 1.18, and 1.55. His walk rates/9 in that same time frame are 3.5, 3.0, 3.5, and 4.5. His K rates are good, but hardly exceptional over that same time frame, ranging from 8.0 to 8.7.
2. Gio Gonzalez's top 10 Cy Young voting year came on the back of a 2.58 BABIP and 81.6% strand rate. When those numbers normalized the year prior and after, he's proven to be mid-4s ERA, high WHIP, high walk pitcher.
3. I'd put Gio in the bottom quartile of NL SPs, but he does get bonus points for durability, which carries value.
4. Tanner Roark is a slight bit better than Gio - in the three non-CY top ten years he's had, his had ERAs in the low to mid 4's with WHIPs in the 1.26 to 1.33 range. He's certainly not the walk machine that Gio has been. I'll also note those years have fairly normal BABIP's and strand rates.
5. Tanner Roark's top ten CY year? Yup, again, the hit and strand rate numbers aligned in his favor at the same time - .269 BABIP and just under a 80% strand rate.
6. But again, Roark gets bonus points for good durability.
Comment
-
Originally posted by Ken View PostAstros rotation as a whole is certainly the best, but that wasn't the discussion point.
I'd take Scherzer/Strasburg over Verlander/Cole."I lingered round them, under that benign sky: watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells, listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass, and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth."
Comment
-
Originally posted by Ken View PostYeah, we know, we know, doom and gloom, everyone sucks. We get it."I lingered round them, under that benign sky: watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells, listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass, and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth."
Comment
-
Originally posted by Ken View PostWhich pairs of top of the rotation starters do you have ahead of Scherzer/Strasburg?
Using general metrics, his ERA is significantly up and his WHIP higher than normal. He's projected to start 22-23 games (assuming his most recent neck impingement doesn't sideline him again), which is at the low end of his three-year performance.
Advanced metrics point to a season that's not as bad as it's turned out, but they are worse - his FIP is 3.65, better than his 4+ ERA, but certainly not a Stras-like dominating figure. His BABIP is pretty normal at .310ish, so his higher WHIP is not a bad luck figure. His HR/9 and HR/FB are both notably up - not awful, or a disaster, but certainly up over his last 2-3 years. I'd postulate that most of his ERA bump is due to the increase in HRs.I'm just here for the baseball.
Comment
Comment