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“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
― Albert Einstein
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Looking back on the deadline deals...the one that sticks out to me in a negative connotation is the Gausman deal - (Gausman and Darren O’Day for minor leaguers Jean Carlos Encarnacion, Brett Cumberland, Evan Phillips and Bruce Zimmermann and $2.5M international bonus money).
This one is a real head scratcher from the Baltimore POV. The Braves radically underpaid for a guy with great stuff who is controllable until 2020...you dont just trade away a talent like Gausman (albeit an inconsistent and oftentimes struggling one) just for some bonus $$ and to take the bad ODay contract off your hands. I guess his value really fell off a cliff or the Orioles were desperate. rhd or someone can correct me on the status of these prospects but I cant understand how the Orioles could not get a Gohara-level guy at least?
This trade would have been a veto-able one in fantasy leagues...unless I am just wrong, which is totally possible
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Originally posted by Pauly View PostLooking back on the deadline deals...the one that sticks out to me in a negative connotation is the Gausman deal - (Gausman and Darren O’Day for minor leaguers Jean Carlos Encarnacion, Brett Cumberland, Evan Phillips and Bruce Zimmermann and $2.5M international bonus money).
This one is a real head scratcher from the Baltimore POV.
However, I'll take a shot at the Orioles thinking. First, Gausman, while talented, continues to trend worse, and not better. His FIP has climbed for three years straight. His K rate is down, and is also in a 3-year decline. His HR/9 is static at 1.4 - 1.5. His H/9 has risen for four straight years. His WHIP, even with his walk rate improving from last year, is still 1.38. Their conclusion could be, even though he's only 27, is that what he's done in 2017 and is doing in 2018 is roughly what he'll be going forward. So, if their projections is that he'll be a 4-4.5 ERA, 1.35 - 1.4 WHIP, 8K/9 type pitcher long term, their best shot at trade value is while he's still controllable.
Clearly, they recognized the hosed up O'Day contract could not be given away without eating a lot of money or trading something of value with him. So they decided the best move for a salary dump was packaging him with a SP that was perceived to have value.
In addition, it appears the O's have their eye on one or more players that must be funded from the International bonus pool, so the added money will give them an edge on a player or two that they believe they may have to bid up.
So, while I suspect your logic is right, and the O's seriously undersold, there may be a plan there, especially if they make a big move in the international pool.I'm just here for the baseball.
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Originally posted by Pauly View PostLooking back on the deadline deals...the one that sticks out to me in a negative connotation is the Gausman deal - (Gausman and Darren O’Day for minor leaguers Jean Carlos Encarnacion, Brett Cumberland, Evan Phillips and Bruce Zimmermann and $2.5M international bonus money).
This one is a real head scratcher from the Baltimore POV. The Braves radically underpaid for a guy with great stuff who is controllable until 2020...you dont just trade away a talent like Gausman (albeit an inconsistent and oftentimes struggling one) just for some bonus $$ and to take the bad ODay contract off your hands. I guess his value really fell off a cliff or the Orioles were desperate. rhd or someone can correct me on the status of these prospects but I cant understand how the Orioles could not get a Gohara-level guy at least?
This trade would have been a veto-able one in fantasy leagues...unless I am just wrong, which is totally possible
In addition, I always find it interesting that while the Yankees and Red Sox will rarely if ever trade with each other, the other AL East inhabitants often have no issue whatsoever making deals with them. They just can't shake that loser mentality!
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Originally posted by revo View PostCards claim Tyson Ross off waivers from SD. Padres got nothing in return except salary relief of just $500k. WTF?
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Lyles claimed on waivers by Brewers
anyone feel lucky on Robbie Erlin?finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84
SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
C Stallings 2, Casali 1
1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1
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Originally posted by Judge Jude View PostLyles claimed on waivers by Brewers
anyone feel lucky on Robbie Erlin?"I lingered round them, under that benign sky: watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells, listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass, and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth."
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well, of you YOU wouldn't feel lucky!
how about the rest of the class? has pitched very well of late and doesn't look fluky
but may not go deep in G for a bad team to bootfinished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84
SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
C Stallings 2, Casali 1
1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1
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Originally posted by fuhrdog View PostReal head scratcher. Not that they could get a lot for him but with some of the guys who did get moved for "something"...this is just weird.
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That Schoop trade paying dividends for everyone!!"I lingered round them, under that benign sky: watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells, listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass, and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth."
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