He is actually getting $30 million in 2018, 25 in 2019, and he can opt it or take 20 in 2020. It the phillies can void the opt out by extending him two years at 20-25 mil a year, depending on incentives, so if Arrieta pitches well the next three years, this turns into a 5 year, 125-135 million dollar deal. Good get for Arrieta in this market. Unlike others, he seemed to do well by waiting.
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Originally posted by Hornsby View PostBecause they DON'T have to get passed along to you, the clubs can easily afford to absorb what may be perceived as the excess salary. They choose to pass it along, to maintain their profit margins...
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Originally posted by cavebird View PostSo this. They set ticket prices to maximize revenue. If making them lower would get them more, they would do it. If it would not, but paying for players hurt the bottom line, they would keep tickets the same price and just take the profit. Player salaries have nothing to do with ticket prices. And fwiw, that's not political at all, just economics.finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
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Originally posted by pitbull View PostAt least it wasn't a Miggy contract where he is signed through something like 2023 or so getting 30 mil per season. Maybe this works out for the Phillies but sure looks to me that Arrieta is trending the wrong way. Amazing they he gets $25 mil per season and Moustakas ended up with 6.5 mil.
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Originally posted by cavebird View PostSo this. They set ticket prices to maximize revenue. If making them lower would get them more, they would do it. If it would not, but paying for players hurt the bottom line, they would keep tickets the same price and just take the profit. Player salaries have nothing to do with ticket prices. And fwiw, that's not political at all, just economics.
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Originally posted by revo View PostGreat move for the Phils. They get an ace, but avoid going long-term with him.
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I could care less what a player gets. I just find it crazy that a team would pay Arrieta $30 million for 2018 when he is not the missing piece to the playoffs. Jake is also on the decline and it didnt seem like the Phils were in a bidding war to get him. Lance Lynn gets 1 yr $12 million, others are getting far less than the expect and the Phils break the bank for Jake. It doesnt make me angry. It just seems like a bad sign.After former Broncos quarterback Brian Griese sprained his ankle and said he was tripped on the stairs of his home by his golden retriever, Bella: “The dog stood up on his hind legs and gave him a push? You might want to get rid of that dog, or put him in the circus, one of the two.”
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Originally posted by Hammer View PostI could care less what a player gets. I just find it crazy that a team would pay Arrieta $30 million for 2018 when he is not the missing piece to the playoffs. Jake is also on the decline and it didnt seem like the Phils were in a bidding war to get him. Lance Lynn gets 1 yr $12 million, others are getting far less than the expect and the Phils break the bank for Jake. It doesnt make me angry. It just seems like a bad sign.
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Originally posted by cavebird View PostArrieta, even the 2017 version, is far better than Lance Lynn.
I think you can sell the "Arrieta is far better" card but it's an upside play based on Arrieta returning to what he was in 2014-2015, not based on 2017 numbers.
For me, the Arrieta signing was one of those instances of paying for who a player used to be rather than what he is now.
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Originally posted by Ken View Post
For me, the Arrieta signing was one of those instances of paying for who a player used to be rather than what he is now.After former Broncos quarterback Brian Griese sprained his ankle and said he was tripped on the stairs of his home by his golden retriever, Bella: “The dog stood up on his hind legs and gave him a push? You might want to get rid of that dog, or put him in the circus, one of the two.”
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Has anyone done a breakdown of how Arrieta was able to put together one of the greatest seasons ever as a pitcher in 2015, and why and how he has declined greatly from that extremely lofty height? Do we know for certain who is is now? Hoping for anything close to 2015 seems silly, but do we know he does not have the skills to duplicate his 2016 season for the next three years? What has changed about him from then to now? If he puts together three years in line with his 2016 numbers, I think the Phillies are content with that. I agree with others that they look like a team that could make some noise as early as 2019 (heck, they could contend for a wild card spot this year), so while they are paying him the most this year, I think the signing is more for 2019 and 2020. That is sort of the opposite of how these contracts typically work, when the player becomes more and more overpaid over time. In this deal, Arrieta becomes a better and better value each year. And if he pitches really well for the three years, he becomes a good value for them to extend, as a team option for 2 more years and 20-25 mill per season.
What I like about this salary structure is they pay the most in year one, but give themselves more wiggle room to spend in years 2 and 3 when they, presumably, will spend that money elsewhere to create a brief window as a contender.Last edited by Sour Masher; 03-12-2018, 02:40 PM.
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His 2017 numbers were pretty good. 3.53 era with 1.22 whip. 163k's in 168 innings. Add 14 wins and I still want him on my team. If he would have agreed to this deal earlier he would still be a Cub.
I expect his numbers to remain about the same as last year. I am hoping the Cubs homers at our auction "feel" like some of you that are posting. I may just get him cheap...ish.
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Originally posted by Gregg View PostHis 2017 numbers were pretty good. 3.53 era with 1.22 whip. 163k's in 168 innings. Add 14 wins and I still want him on my team. If he would have agreed to this deal earlier he would still be a Cub.
Originally posted by Gregg View PostI expect his numbers to remain about the same as last year. I am hoping the Cubs homers at our auction "feel" like some of you that are posting. I may just get him cheap...ish.
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Originally posted by Ken View PostIs he? For a devil's advocate perspective, Lynn's bWAR in 2017 was 3.7. Arrieta's was 1.9. And Lynn is a year younger.
I think you can sell the "Arrieta is far better" card but it's an upside play based on Arrieta returning to what he was in 2014-2015, not based on 2017 numbers.
For me, the Arrieta signing was one of those instances of paying for who a player used to be rather than what he is now.I'm just here for the baseball.
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