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2K11: Ryan Vogelsong - SP
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Originally posted by Judge Jude View PostI think Lincecum is fine in terms of his 2 Cy Youngs if you want to go there, OR the sentimental pick on a Vogelsong in spite of his being short in IP. Both - you're really, really pushing it. And after that, picking Cain is preposterous. Dude, there are 15 other teams in the league.
Ian Kennedy, Tommy Hanson, and Craig Kimbrel, among others, say hi.
How did Clippard make it over Jordan Zimmermann?
Seems like there's some behind the scenes things you may not be hearing of or taking into account. Seems like many teams had their 2nd best pitcher taken over their best pitcher.
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Originally posted by Judge Jude View PostIs that a debatable point? Does anyone think it's a good idea for THREE players not chosen by the fans or the players to be on the team just because of who the manager is?
Kennedy - 3.38 ERA, 1.14 WHIP, 32/109 BB/K, 8 wins, 7.6 K/9 IP
Hanson - 2.62 ERA, 1.06 WHIP, 33/97 BB/K, 9 wins, 9.7 K/9 IP
Vogelsong - 2.13 ERA, 1.15 WHIP, 27/68 BB/K, 6 wins, 7.3 K/ 9 IP
Cain - 3.02 ERA, 1.09 WHIP, 29/95 BB/K, 7 wins, 7.5 K/ 9 IP
I can see Hanson over Cain, but it's not overwhelming. Kennedy isn't a bad pick, and if you even out the parks, he's probably equivalent to Cain, but hardly better.I'm just here for the baseball.
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Wasn't Jimenez a lock at this time last year?
finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84
SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
C Stallings 2, Casali 1
1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1
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Originally posted by Judge Jude View PostWasn't Jimenez a lock at this time last year?
Hey, we all know you're a "revert to the mean" guy, and that may be truer in keeper leagues than in redrafts, but a guy like Vogelsong (and others you've ripped, such as Karstens, etc.) have been godsends this year. I could wave the biggest hanky for Vogelsong or Karstens or Collmenter this season, but I'd be hard-pressed to draft those guys high next season.
Sometimes, you gotta ride the wave. Hang loose, JJ!
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Interesting points, but I yam what I yam.
I didn't beg people to dump Ryan Roberts earlier this year, just said the power and speed are real, just not the AVG. Even Bautista last year, I had to admit that the peripherals had his AVG being LOWER than it should be. The power - every now and then something comes along that blows up the chart, and yes I can't put my hands around that.finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84
SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
C Stallings 2, Casali 1
1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1
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I think its safe to safe say Vogelsong is the real deal.After former Broncos quarterback Brian Griese sprained his ankle and said he was tripped on the stairs of his home by his golden retriever, Bella: “The dog stood up on his hind legs and gave him a push? You might want to get rid of that dog, or put him in the circus, one of the two.”
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