I've watched baseball for a lot of years and I've never heard of this. I watched a college game tonite and on a routine DP ball, after the forceout was recorded at 2B the IFer threw the ball wildly to first. The hitter who reached 1B on the error did not advance. They charged an error on the play. Yeah, it's college, not MLB, but I would expect that the rules in MLB would be the same. Have I been missing something all these years?
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You CAN assume a double play?
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Did the ball not go out of play? You only get a base automatically if it goes into dead-ball territory, but I assume you knew that...In the best of times, our days are numbered, anyway. And it would be a crime against Nature for any generation to take the world crisis so solemnly that it put off enjoying those things for which we were presumably designed in the first place, and which the gravest statesmen and the hoarsest politicians hope to make available to all men in the end: I mean the opportunity to do good work, to fall in love, to enjoy friends, to sit under trees, to read, to hit a ball and bounce the baby.
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Originally posted by mjl View PostDid the ball not go out of play? You only get a base automatically if it goes into dead-ball territory, but I assume you knew that...
It's that in the MLB you don't ever get an error on the back end of a double play because a double play cannot be assumed.
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Originally posted by Ken View PostHis point isnt whether there's an extra base.
It's that in the MLB you don't ever get an error on the back end of a double play because a double play cannot be assumed.
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Here's the way I understand it. Every base advanced by a runner has to be classified and documented by the scorer. If a batter winds up on second, it is a double, a single with an error, a two-base error, or something odd like a K/SB combo on a wild pitch. (We've all played the game of naming how many ways you can get to first base.)
In the above situation, the scoring would be a fielder's choice. If the runner went to second, it would be a fielder's choice with a one-base error. Since the runner didn't advance, there is no nothing to explain by scoring. Hence, no error.
It's like a runner scoring from third on a fly ball to left field. It's a sac fly. The official scorer doesn't charge an error if he thinks a good throw would have nailed the runner. "Not assuming the double play" is a shorthand way of expressing this concept when applied to a specific situation.
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Originally posted by Redbirds Fan View PostHere's the way I understand it. Every base advanced by a runner has to be classified and documented by the scorer. If a batter winds up on second, it is a double, a single with an error, a two-base error, or something odd like a K/SB combo on a wild pitch. (We've all played the game of naming how many ways you can get to first base.)
In the above situation, the scoring would be a fielder's choice. If the runner went to second, it would be a fielder's choice with a one-base error. Since the runner didn't advance, there is no nothing to explain by scoring. Hence, no error.
It's like a runner scoring from third on a fly ball to left field. It's a sac fly. The official scorer doesn't charge an error if he thinks a good throw would have nailed the runner. "Not assuming the double play" is a shorthand way of expressing this concept when applied to a specific situation.
Or so I think.
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Originally posted by rhd View PostThat evidently is not the rule in college ball because an error was charged. IMHO the MLB rule needs to be changed to be like the college rule, which makes much more sense and is more consistent w the other MLB rules.
Rule 9.12(d) Comment: When a fielder muffs a thrown ball that, if held, would have completed a double play or triple play, the official scorer shall charge an error to the fielder who drops the ball and credit an assist to the fielder who made the throw.
This is not an NCAA rule, but an MLB rule. I couldn't find an NCAA rule, but I'm still looking.
The original post said the error was charged. Was it charged to the fielder who made the throw or the first baseman? That should help answer the question. In the meantime, I'll keep looking for the NCAA rule.Last edited by Redbirds Fan; 02-26-2017, 07:39 AM.If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. - Karl Popper
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Finally found the NCAA rule. Looks the same as MLB.
3) No player is charged with an error for a poor throw in an attempt to
complete a double play unless the throw is so wild that it permits a runner
to advance an additional base. However, if a player drops a thrown ball
when by holding it he would have completed a double play, it is an error.If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. - Karl Popper
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Originally posted by Redbirds Fan View PostFinally found the NCAA rule. Looks the same as MLB.
3) No player is charged with an error for a poor throw in an attempt to
complete a double play unless the throw is so wild that it permits a runner
to advance an additional base. However, if a player drops a thrown ball
when by holding it he would have completed a double play, it is an error.
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