Its more complicated but essentially the question is: Would you keep a $6 Fernandez or a $6 Cody Allen this year only in a league that uses Saves + Holds instead of Saves? Using BHQ custom $ values Allen is $2.41 more profitable but since there is an unlimited supply of holds available as free agents in season, I'm thinking SP is better to keep even at lower profit.
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Would you keep Jose Fernandez or Cody Allen this year only?
"The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable." -NY Times
"For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts" - Joe BidenTags: None
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In a holds plus saves league it's far easier to pick up that category off the waiver. However, do you really think Fernandez will return early enough and be effective enough to warrant keeping him at all?If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
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Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View PostIn a holds plus saves league it's far easier to pick up that category off the waiver. However, do you really think Fernandez will return early enough and be effective enough to warrant keeping him at all?"The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable." -NY Times
"For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts" - Joe Biden
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Originally posted by cardboardbox View PostHQ is projecting 92 IP, probably July 1 return date. Of course he could have setbacks and not return until Sept, or next year.If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View PostThat's what I would weigh v a bankable value in Allen. Guys returning from TJ surgery are never a great bet out of the gate. Can you trade him for something else of greater value?Last edited by cardboardbox; 03-01-2015, 02:27 PM."The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable." -NY Times
"For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts" - Joe Biden
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I'm leaning toward Allen but it's close. I never gave it much thought before but saves+holds really does diminish the value of closers.“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
― Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by cardboardbox View PostI tried, made some good offers to teams without enough keepers but no when accepted and the deadline has passed. If Fernandez is back in the Auction, I expect he'd go for more than $10 on keeper value alone so thats a plus, he'd soak up money.If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View PostThat's an excellent way to look at it and if YOU can possibly get him back cheap he'd be on a new contract correct?"The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable." -NY Times
"For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts" - Joe Biden
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Originally posted by madducks View PostI'm leaning toward Allen but it's close. I never gave it much thought before but saves+holds really does diminish the value of closers."The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable." -NY Times
"For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts" - Joe Biden
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Is this a H2H league? If so then I'm definitely keeping Fernandez.
Either way, if you keep Fern, you can stash him on the DL for the first 2 months and get value out of a Shawn Kelley type.
I seriously love Allen and I'm not sure that's even enough to sway me, but it's a consideration.
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Originally posted by cardboardbox View Postyes it kills their value. Even if I bought no RP at the auction, I could find plenty of holds in the free agent pool. A closer with poor peripherals like Hawkins is worthless, better to find a good setup guy.If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Originally posted by joncarlos View PostIs this a H2H league? If so then I'm definitely keeping Fernandez.
Either way, if you keep Fern, you can stash him on the DL for the first 2 months and get value out of a Shawn Kelley type.
I seriously love Allen and I'm not sure that's even enough to sway me, but it's a consideration.
June 15th is the earliest Fernandez could be back but I'm expecting July 1 or later. Why are you so sure you'd keep Fernandez? Is it because a good SP (I'm not expecting great his first 3 months back) is worth way more in this format than a great RP?"The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable." -NY Times
"For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts" - Joe Biden
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With saves+holds, I'd keep Fernandez, too. You should get good, though not great, production for half the season, followed by what should be a full return to monsterness in 2016. Or, if you're in the running for a pennant, a $6 Fernandez will carry a whole lot more value than a $6 Allen and could bring you valuable piece(s) back in a dump deal.I'm just here for the baseball.
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Originally posted by chancellor View PostWith saves+holds, I'd keep Fernandez, too. You should get good, though not great, production for half the season, followed by what should be a full return to monsterness in 2016. Or, if you're in the running for a pennant, a $6 Fernandez will carry a whole lot more value than a $6 Allen and could bring you valuable piece(s) back in a dump deal.Originally posted by eldiablo505Saves + holds is what complicates this issue. I'd say Fernandez just because his name alone has significant trade value, almost regardless of the numbers he puts up this year, assuming he stays healthy upon return.
Originally posted by minnehan View PostFernandez threw off the mound today without any issues. Most sources point to a June 1st return. Yes, he'll be on a pitch count, but he's still worth owning this year."The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable." -NY Times
"For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts" - Joe Biden
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