Affordable Health Care Law under review by SCOTUS

[Hornsby]

Problems? This isn't problems, it's a total trainwreck. Even liberal broadcasting stalwarts like Wolf Blitzer have conceded that, and to their credit, are actually reporting on it. If only 2/3rds of the people could get on and do what they needed, you could claim it's just problems.

As I noted in an earlier post, this isn't the president's fault. But it is the fault of some who report to Ms. Sebelius, and if she doesn't make heads roll on this disaster, he ought to.

Nothing to see here Chance...in a month or so, it'll all be forgotten. I'd wager that there's never been an IT roll-out of this magnitude in history, of course there are going to be issues, none of them insurmountable.

[onejayhawk]

Nothing to see here Chance...in a month or so, it'll all be forgotten. I'd wager that there's never been an IT roll-out of this magnitude in history, of course there are going to be issues, none of them insurmountable.

Tell that to my wife's best friend. Her company dropped family coverage, so her retired husband is having to shop for coverage at around $1000/month. Affordable.

J

[Hornsby]

Tell that to my wife's best friend. Her company dropped family coverage, so her retired husband is having to shop for coverage at around $1000/month. Affordable.

J

I'd have to see proof of that...family coverage for me would be in the 350 dollar a month range, and that's for the gold package. The graph that ELD posted is for individual coverage, but the highest there is Wyoming at a bit over 500 a month. I think he's either not looking at the right figures, or exaggerating for some reason...

[Lucky]

Tell that to my wife's best friend. Her company dropped family coverage, so her retired husband is having to shop for coverage at around $1000/month. Affordable.

J

Why did the company drop family coverage? Real economic reason or just using ACA as an excuse?

[chancellor]

Nothing to see here Chance...in a month or so, it'll all be forgotten. I'd wager that there's never been an IT roll-out of this magnitude in history, of course there are going to be issues, none of them insurmountable.

Sorry, but no. Let's review the numbers - 2.8 million on the first day, depending on whose numbers you believe, 8 to 10 million the first week. As Jason notes, and seems to be confirmed by multiple sources, the cost was somewhere notably north of $600 million. The usage is high, but hardly staggering. For example, there's 24 to 28 million fantasy football players, with a large percentage of those logging in on Sundays to make changes. Crashes are very low today, and even in the day where they were more frequent, at least two of the three main suppliers (ESPN, Yahoo, and CBS) would be working.

This system was so bad a tiny fraction of folks who wanted to sign up or get information could. It was so bad, a false positive was trumpeted through the media. It was so bad, the whole system had to be shut down for a weekend, and came up little better than when it left.

For $600 million+. Seven times bid price.

Heads must roll.

[Hornsby]

Sorry, but no. Let's review the numbers - 2.8 million on the first day, depending on whose numbers you believe, 8 to 10 million the first week. As Jason notes, and seems to be confirmed by multiple sources, the cost was somewhere notably north of $600 million. The usage is high, but hardly staggering. For example, there's 24 to 28 million fantasy football players, with a large percentage of those logging in on Sundays to make changes. Crashes are very low today, and even in the day where they were more frequent, at least two of the three main suppliers (ESPN, Yahoo, and CBS) would be working.

This system was so bad a tiny fraction of folks who wanted to sign up or get information could. It was so bad, a false positive was trumpeted through the media. It was so bad, the whole system had to be shut down for a weekend, and came up little better than when it left.

For $600 million+. Seven times bid price.

Heads must roll.

BS, that's comparing Apples to Anvils...the 3 main sports sites that you use for examples have had YEARS to roll out their products, honing it and refining it, and yet, when they roll out a "new" look, there are bugs galore and complaints by the bucketloads. go back and look at the thread on the new CBS look at the start of fantasy baseball season, you would have thought that the Apocalypse was coming.

This was an entirely new concept, rolled out in 50 states at once...nothing like this has ever been done before, or on a magnitude of scale like this.

Again, lets see where things are in a month, I'd bet that it's pretty well be-bugged at that point, and there are very few complaints.

[dslaw]

Tell that to my wife's best friend. Her company dropped family coverage, so her retired husband is having to shop for coverage at around $1000/month. Affordable.

J

Or tell that to the family of 5 in Salt Lake that was uninsured. They are now getting coverage for the entire family for $238 per month. You seem to get pretty uptight when someone throws out one example to refute any point you make but you also are quick to throw out one example to back your point. There will be stories like yours where people have to pay a lot for insurance. There will also be stories like mine where people are getting insured for much less than they could prior to ACA. The truth is somewhere in the middle.

The guy in my story said he tried for days to access the site but couldn't get on until last Saturday. Once he was able to get on he said it was a very good program that enabled him to easily look at the plans available and compare the plans and rates. Apparently more time was spent on making the site work well than was spent making sure it could handle the traffic.

[chancellor]

BS, that's comparing Apples to Anvils...the 3 main sports sites that you use for examples have had YEARS to roll out their products, honing it and refining it, and yet, when they roll out a "new" look, there are bugs galore and complaints by the bucketloads. go back and look at the thread on the new CBS look at the start of fantasy baseball season, you would have thought that the Apocalypse was coming.

This was an entirely new concept, rolled out in 50 states at once...nothing like this has ever been done before, or on a magnitude of scale like this.

Again, lets see where things are in a month, I'd bet that it's pretty well be-bugged at that point, and there are very few complaints.

And this had three years and a vast bucketload of money behind it. The number of effort hours into this rollout far, far exceeded any FFL rollout. And while I agree all the FFL rollouts had bugs (esp. CBS), they still worked much more than most of the time, while this doesn't even work a tiny fraction of the time. And in a recent NBC report - the most liberal of the main stations - even they concur it's a disaster, with quotes like:

By most accounts the website has been a complete mess, locking up, crashing and kicking off potential customers,” Costello said. “Of the 260 people who tried to sign up at this Miami clinic in the first week, only a single person got through

I think everybody is shocked who’s been watching this from the inside at how bad it is, and how bad the computer programming and software and code and architecture is,” said Robert Laszewski of Health Policy and Strategy Associates.

For $634 million. Epic fail. Bring on the guillotines.

[Hornsby]

And this had three years and a vast bucketload of money behind it. The number of effort hours into this rollout far, far exceeded any FFL rollout. And while I agree all the FFL rollouts had bugs (esp. CBS), they still worked much more than most of the time, while this doesn't even work a tiny fraction of the time. And in a recent NBC report - the most liberal of the main stations - even they concur it's a disaster, with quotes like:





For $634 million. Epic fail. Bring on the guillotines.

LOl...we see what we wish to see...you see an epic failure, I see so much in demand that traffic is causing the websites to have issues. Those issues are being addressed, and as dslaw pointed out, the web sites actually work quite well once you get in. And, repeating again, all of this will be forgotten in a month.

Funny how people actually want the product...maybe that's what the Tea Partiers are so afraid of...

[Moonlight J]

The markup prices on stuff in this country angers me

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/13/us/the-soaring-cost-of-a-simple-breath.html?hp&_r=0

[Pogues]

The markup prices on stuff in this country angers me

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/13/us...h.html?hp&_r=0

This is what is so wrong with the health care system as a whole in this country. I argued before the ACA that if the government really wanted to make a change to the system, it was to use its power to stop companies and medical care professionals to stop taking advantage of the easy insurance money. I fear with the government footing the bill, it'll become much, much worse.

[onejayhawk]

This is what is so wrong with the health care system as a whole in this country. I argued before the ACA that if the government really wanted to make a change to the system, it was to use its power to stop companies and medical care professionals to stop taking advantage of the easy insurance money. I fear with the government footing the bill, it'll become much, much worse.

I always thought that was a red herring argument. Doctors have always shown the ability to capture wording in insurance policies. Why not regulations?

J

[Moonlight J]

What happens when applying for insurance on Healthcare.gov vs a private insurer

[Moonlight J]

It's getting better

[DMT]

Holy cow!

I just completed the healthcare exchange application for my family.

Great to hear!