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  • "Andy Stern is head of the SEIU, the biggest union now in the country, and it's all public employees and whatever. And he said, in that same interview he said "workers of the world unite," he said "we believe in the power of persuasion, and if that doesn't work we believe in the persuasion of power." "

    Stern is a "mainstream Democrat"?

    I've seen him on MSNBC a number of times, and that wasn't what came to mind from those interviews.
    finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
    own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
    won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84

    SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
    RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
    C Stallings 2, Casali 1
    1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
    OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1

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    • Originally posted by cardboardbox View Post
      Are you implying that these guys are not democrats anymore?

      I'm not real concerned with whether they are pure enough to be accepted by the democrats here but I did think the premise was interesting. Certainly if the economy is not any better or worse in 6 months, then the election is almost already decided.
      Decided in whose favor? The polls with a generic Republican vs. Obama are not instructive, since there is no such thing as a generic Republican. They all have strengths and weaknesses. Most of the field, so far, has demonstrated mostly weaknesses.

      Is there a Republican candidate who has consistently polled well head-to-head against the President? Until that happens, saying the election is almost already decided is, at best, wishful thinking.

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      • Originally posted by Judge Jude View Post
        "Andy Stern is head of the SEIU, the biggest union now in the country, and it's all public employees and whatever. And he said, in that same interview he said "workers of the world unite," he said "we believe in the power of persuasion, and if that doesn't work we believe in the persuasion of power." "

        Stern is a "mainstream Democrat"?
        Stern is a mainstream Democrat the same way Norquist is a mainstream Republican. Their views may be to the left or right of the party's political spectrum, but they wield powerful influence over the entire party. So, yes, both strongly influence "mainstream" belief and action.
        I'm just here for the baseball.

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        • Interesting.
          I'd go along with that Norquist comparison - they both have huge clout in the political party structure, but neither is what I'd call "mainstream," in terms of what the bulk of party rank-and-file want. Strategically, they have huge power in spite of that.
          finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
          own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
          won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84

          SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
          RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
          C Stallings 2, Casali 1
          1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
          OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1

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          • I'm sure it's a seasonal employment spike, but unemployment is now at 8.6% which is its lowest rate in 2 and a half years

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            • There are signs the economy is starting to come around. On the other side is the train wreck in Europe.

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              Ad Astra per Aspera

              Oh. In that case, never mind. - Wonderboy

              GITH fails logic 101. - bryanbutler

              Bah...OJH caught me. - Pogues

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              • If the economy/unemployment only shows a slight improvement in the last quarter of 2011 and the first two quarters of 2012, I think Obama can claim we are on the right track. I think he can even go further and plausibly state that the improvement would have been even better if the GOP had cooperated with his proposals.

                The problem will be the first quarter of 2012. I think the last quarter of 2011 will show improvement, but isn't there always a drop-off the next quarter? So the entire election could come down to the second quarter of 2012.
                “Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.”
                -Ralph Waldo Emerson

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                • 315,000 workers left the market which is what caused the unemployment rate to drop. If the participation rate had been the same as last month the rate would have been 8.9% and if the participation rate had been the same as Jan 2009, unemployment would be 11%.
                  "The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable." -NY Times

                  "For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts" - Joe Biden

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                  • U6 is still around 16%.

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                    Ad Astra per Aspera

                    Oh. In that case, never mind. - Wonderboy

                    GITH fails logic 101. - bryanbutler

                    Bah...OJH caught me. - Pogues

                    I don't know if you guys are being willfully ignorant, but... - Judge Jude

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                    • Another Obama failure



                      HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius overruled an FDA decision to make Plan B available over the counter for women of all ages. His excuse for supporting her? According to the AP: “Obama says as a father of two daughters, the government should ‘apply some common sense’ to rules when it comes to over-the-counter medication.”

                      So now, under Obama, FDA makes the right decision, and Obama’s Health and Human Services Secretary overrules the agency, with Obama’s support. This morning NPR’s Julie Rovner said it’s the first time anyone can remember the health secretary overruling the FDA. If this isn’t politics over science, what is?

                      Despite the rhetoric, though, it was doubtless political fallout, not personal squeamishness, that drove this decision. Obama is already considering caving to the US Conference of Catholic Bishops in broadening religious exemptions to the requirement that employers provide insurance coverage for birth control.
                      If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
                      - Terence McKenna

                      Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)

                      How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige

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                      • It makes you nostalgic for the transparency of the Bush Administration, doesnt it?

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                        Ad Astra per Aspera

                        Oh. In that case, never mind. - Wonderboy

                        GITH fails logic 101. - bryanbutler

                        Bah...OJH caught me. - Pogues

                        I don't know if you guys are being willfully ignorant, but... - Judge Jude

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                        • Originally posted by eldiablo505
                          Bush was a complete nightmare in terms of transparency (among many other things).
                          And this administration is worse.

                          My point is that the urge to work in the shadows runs across all the political spectrum.

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                          Ad Astra per Aspera

                          Oh. In that case, never mind. - Wonderboy

                          GITH fails logic 101. - bryanbutler

                          Bah...OJH caught me. - Pogues

                          I don't know if you guys are being willfully ignorant, but... - Judge Jude

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                          • Originally posted by onejayhawk View Post
                            And this administration is worse.


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                            you're out of your ****ing mind.
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                            Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
                            Martin Luther King, Jr.

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                            • Originally posted by eldiablo505
                              This comes close to summing up my feelings about Obama so far:

                              The president has the political muscle to enact a progressive agenda, but he doesn't want to


                              But, hey, at least he's committed to fighting that evil specter of food stamp fraud. You know those welfare queens on food stamps, they surely need policing much more than the innocent Wall Street angels. And, hey, we're once again engaging in a crackdown on medical marijuana. Thanks for helping, Mr. President!
                              Sirota has made a living throwing stones at whoever is in power, and this piece was a good example.

                              eld, we know you're not happy with the Obama administration, but no reasonable person could maintain that the two paragraphs quoted are a fair summary of what the President has accomplished.

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                              • The Heritage Foundation has disavowed any knowledge of his actions.

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                                Ad Astra per Aspera

                                Oh. In that case, never mind. - Wonderboy

                                GITH fails logic 101. - bryanbutler

                                Bah...OJH caught me. - Pogues

                                I don't know if you guys are being willfully ignorant, but... - Judge Jude

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