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  • Originally posted by JudeBaldo View Post
    There's evidence that voters do look ahead. http://www.sunypress.edu/p-4625-do-v...he-future.aspx

    The very act of punishing or rewarding an incumbent IS LOOKING AHEAD to what they can't or can do after the election. Anyone who doesn't think so grossly underestimates voters.

    So you're right again bud.


    The re-election rates of the US House and Senate seem to suggest that people do not look ahead, they OVERWHELMINGLY vote the same person back into the seat. If that's called looking ahead, then i strongly disagree.

    So I would answer the author in your link, "No they don't".
    "I lingered round them, under that benign sky: watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells, listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass, and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth."

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    • Originally posted by Mithrandir View Post
      http://www.opensecrets.org/bigpicture/reelect.php

      The re-election rates of the US House and Senate seem to suggest that people do not look ahead, they OVERWHELMINGLY vote the same person back into the seat. If that's called looking ahead, then i strongly disagree.

      So I would answer the author in your link, "No they don't".
      Electorates are leery of change; of this there is no doubt. It is ironic, since it is what most politicians, bot just BHO, promise change, but rarely deliver.

      J
      Ad Astra per Aspera

      Oh. In that case, never mind. - Wonderboy

      GITH fails logic 101. - bryanbutler

      Bah...OJH caught me. - Pogues

      I don't know if you guys are being willfully ignorant, but... - Judge Jude

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      • Originally posted by Mithrandir View Post
        http://www.opensecrets.org/bigpicture/reelect.php

        The re-election rates of the US House and Senate seem to suggest that people do not look ahead, they OVERWHELMINGLY vote the same person back into the seat. If that's called looking ahead, then i strongly disagree.

        So I would answer the author in your link, "No they don't".
        Your response tells me that I don't think you understand local politics and districting.

        Evidence suggests that while in the aggregate, Congress is strongly disliked, constituencies love their individual legislature. This further leads credence to the argument that they do look to the future. The reason is because voters in districts that are happy with their representative want that to continue into the future. Furthermore, when examining changing demographics within a district, a congressional seat that's been held by one legislature for a long time, may flip because a new majority would want someone else piloting the different trajectory of their future interests.

        Finally, just take a look the Internet protests concerning SOPA and PIPA. Just go on Reddit and examine any number of threads on the subject as to why people were making such a big deal about it. People were worried that because of the broad nature of SOPA and PIPA, things like fair use might be in danger. Hence they were looking to the future in deciding to voice their concerns about the two pieces of legislation.
        Last edited by JudeBaldo; 01-28-2012, 03:56 PM.

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        • Originally posted by JudeBaldo View Post
          Your response tells me that I don't think you understand local politics and districting.

          Evidence suggests that while in the aggregate, Congress is strongly disliked, constituencies love their individual legislature. This further leads credence to the argument that they do look to the future. The reason is because voters in districts that are happy with their representative want that to continue into the future. Furthermore, when examining changing demographics within a district, a congressional seat that's been held by one legislature for a long time, may flip because a new majority would want someone else piloting the different trajectory of their future interests.

          Finally, just take a look the Internet protests concerning SOPA and PIPA. Just go on Reddit and examine any number of threads on the subject as to why people were making such a big deal about it. People were worried that because of the broad nature of SOPA and PIPA, things like fair use might be in danger. Hence they were looking to the future in deciding to voice their concerns about the two pieces of legislation.
          If you want to be realistic, then one could say pretty much everything one does is geared towards looking to the future, what else is there to look towards? So of course on some level voters are always looking ahead because that's the way the brain functions. We don't need a book to tell us that. Ii'm sure some percentage of voters do put some thought into who they vote for, the majority just go in and pull a lever for the Democrat or GOP.
          "I lingered round them, under that benign sky: watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells, listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass, and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth."

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          • Originally posted by Mithrandir View Post
            If you want to be realistic, then one could say pretty much everything one does is geared towards looking to the future, what else is there to look towards? So of course on some level voters are always looking ahead because that's the way the brain functions. We don't need a book to tell us that. Ii'm sure some percentage of voters do put some thought into who they vote for, the majority just go in and pull a lever for the Democrat or GOP.
            Worst.Librarian.Ever. :-P
            Last edited by JudeBaldo; 01-28-2012, 07:42 PM.

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            • Interesting read on topics surely to come up in the Presidential debates http://www.angrybearblog.com/2012/01...8Angry+Bear%29

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              • Originally posted by JudeBaldo View Post
                Finally, just take a look the Internet protests concerning SOPA and PIPA. Just go on Reddit and examine any number of threads on the subject as to why people were making such a big deal about it. People were worried that because of the broad nature of SOPA and PIPA, things like fair use might be in danger. Hence they were looking to the future in deciding to voice their concerns about the two pieces of legislation.
                That has nothing to do with voting-booth behavior. It might in the future in specific races if they feature a supporter vs. an opponent, but we don't know that yet.
                Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer
                We pinch ran for Altuve specifically to screw over Mith's fantasy team.

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                • Interesting mixed thoughts from liberal, Wall St skeptic investigative journalist Matt Taibbi on Obama's recent high-finance moves:

                  finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
                  own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
                  won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84

                  SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
                  RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
                  C Stallings 2, Casali 1
                  1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
                  OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1

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                  • Originally posted by Judge Jude View Post
                    Interesting mixed thoughts from liberal, Wall St skeptic investigative journalist Matt Taibbi on Obama's recent high-finance moves:

                    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...-real-20120126
                    The best point that Taibbi makes is that the bigger crime to investigate is the pooling and creation of the mortgage-backed securities, rather than the foreclosures.

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                    • I think that's right.

                      And left, come to think of it.

                      finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
                      own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
                      won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84

                      SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
                      RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
                      C Stallings 2, Casali 1
                      1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
                      OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1

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                      • This is some kind of tough decision man, but I would be grateful to made up the right decision for this upcoming election.

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                        • Originally posted by OaklandA's View Post
                          The best point that Taibbi makes is that the bigger crime to investigate is the pooling and creation of the mortgage-backed securities, rather than the foreclosures.
                          This is definitely true. Any time you have an OPM (other people's money) situation, regulatory interest should be close at hand.

                          J
                          Ad Astra per Aspera

                          Oh. In that case, never mind. - Wonderboy

                          GITH fails logic 101. - bryanbutler

                          Bah...OJH caught me. - Pogues

                          I don't know if you guys are being willfully ignorant, but... - Judge Jude

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                          • obviously the general election is a ways off, but the polls I've seen have Obama clobbering any republican candidate remaining. He's up by 6 or 7 points on Romney and as much as 17 vs. Newt. Too bad "generic Republican candidate" isn't running, because that appears to be the GOP's only hope.

                            Shouldn't the GOP start to pressure the others to give way so that the American people can get behind one? Because if this thing drags out until June, it would appear to take an upset of epic proportions for the GOP to win the WH.

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                            • Originally posted by OaklandA's View Post
                              The best point that Taibbi makes is that the bigger crime to investigate is the pooling and creation of the mortgage-backed securities, rather than the foreclosures.
                              Or this:

                              The question is, how real of an investigation will we get? The fact that Schneiderman’s co-chairs are Lanny Breuer and Robert Khuzami make me extremely skeptical. I’m actually not sure that both men, in an ideal world, wouldn’t be targets of their own committee’s investigation.
                              If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
                              - Terence McKenna

                              Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)

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                              • Originally posted by revo View Post
                                Shouldn't the GOP start to pressure the others to give way so that the American people can get behind one? Because if this thing drags out until June, it would appear to take an upset of epic proportions for the GOP to win the WH.
                                Newt and Mitt both suck, it doesn't matter what the GOP does.
                                If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
                                - Terence McKenna

                                Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)

                                How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige

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