WRGPT 2011 (massive email poker thing)

[johnnya24]

I understand what you are saying, I guess my thought was raise enough to make sure that the only way the BB plays is if he has a hand. I didnt expect a reraise from the original bettor, so in retrospect I didnt think far enough ahead as I only assumed a call rather than a reraise. The reraise told me he was willing to put his stack in - at which point I wasnt.

So I should have raised enough to put the BB in and force the decision of the original raiser. Just fell short in my thinking the action after my raise and that is what beat me.

A raise to about 27K would seem like the best bet there. That way the OR knows you aren't messing about or info-raising. You are asking a more difficult question with that raise, and therefore you get more information. If he calls you can probably rule out an over pair, and then you can narrow his range to high cards or low-medium pairs. A low/medium flop is bingo ...

[heyelander]

how about this one...

BB Ben Irving $163900
1st to act Shnizizal-dogg $9500
3rd to act Heyelander $138450

Blinds $1600/$3200 $400 Ante

Heye: Jh Jd

Shcniz limps for $3600
Fold
Heye raises to $13900
folds around to BB
BB Calls
Schniz all in for $9500
Pot right ($41300)

Flop: Qc 3s 7c
Ben Irving bets $20000

? He's the BB So he could have a Q. Is this just some sort of continuation bet (although I was the aggressor) or do I need to give him credit for the Q? I feel like I should throw out $50000 or something but that still gives him 4/1 odds.

[johnnya24]

This is tricky ... he could easily have 88, 99 or TT, and is hoping you don't bet him off his hand. He could also have KQ or AQ.

This could be worth one call, and see if you can freeze him on the next street and check it down. I don't like the raise. You will be committing too much of your stack to the pot, and he has already overcalled a raise and bet out strong (with an all in player ... so you have to give him credit for something). You've only committed 14K of your comfortable stack

You also have to consider that with 4 opposing cards out there, there is a much greater chance that the main pot is already gone. I don't like the raise, this is not a great spot to be over-commiting a large % of your stack ... so for me it's call to try and force him to check it down (and hope he has a worse pocket pair), or a fold. If you call and he fires again, you can give it up and still have $104K left to play with. If you fold, you will still have a $124 stack.

Just because you raised PF doesn't mean you have to get tangled up post flop. You will make more profit from making good folds in treacherous spots than from making big hero calls or letting pride get hold.

[heyelander]

Thanks... Just called.

So I've gone from worried I was behind, to worried I'm ahead...

Board: Qc 3s 7c Js

He bets another $20000 into me.

|#|   Name                     |Bankroll| Action |Status|Pot#|Pot Size|
3|   Ben Irving               | 113600 |  53900 |      |  1 |  20000 |
4|   Shnizizal-dogg           |      0 |   9500 |all-in|  3 |  32500 |
5|   RickB                    |  22050 |    400 |folded|    |        |
6|>  Heyelander               | 104950 |  33900 |      |  2 |  48800 |

With 2 potential flushes and a straight, do I raise big here, or get cute and just call again? I have to doubt he called with 2 spades with just the 3s showing, so maybe only 1 potential flush and the possibility he had A10 or AK. Now I'm actually hoping he had a Q because it takes the flush and the straight out. Does something like A7 make any sense for him?

I really want to just call here.

[GwynnInTheHall]

Thanks... Just called.

So I've gone from worried I was behind, to worried I'm ahead...

Board: Qc 3s 7c Js

He bets another $20000 into me.

|#|   Name                     |Bankroll| Action |Status|Pot#|Pot Size|
3|   Ben Irving               | 113600 |  53900 |      |  1 |  20000 |
4|   Shnizizal-dogg           |      0 |   9500 |all-in|  3 |  32500 |
5|   RickB                    |  22050 |    400 |folded|    |        |
6|>  Heyelander               | 104950 |  33900 |      |  2 |  48800 |

With 2 potential flushes and a straight, do I raise big here, or get cute and just call again? I have to doubt he called with 2 spades with just the 3s showing, so maybe only 1 potential flush and the possibility he had A10 or AK. Now I'm actually hoping he had a Q because it takes the flush and the straight out. Does something like A7 make any sense for him?

You have the best hand easy, you should shove and win the pot right now. Pick up the 50K and be happy, if he calls and gets lucky so be it, but I think he'll muck anything but top top with the flush draw. You could squeeze more money out of him, but again, he could just be on a draw and calling might allow him to get there. But that's my move. mileage may vary

[johnnya24]

You have the best hand easy, you should shove and win the pot right now. Pick up the 50K and be happy, if he calls and gets lucky so be it, but I think he'll muck anything but top top with the flush draw. You could squeeze more money out of him, but again, he could just be on a draw and calling might allow him to get there. But that's my move. mileage may vary

Yeah ... if it's a cash game, you'd play the odds and draw him in with a nice raise ... but it's a tourney, and he has you covered. You don't want a club to hit the river and him to shove on you. Ship it ... and hope he has an AQ or KQ and can't let go.

[DMT]

I would shove too.

[heyelander]

Fine... I know you all are right.

[heyelander]

He called...
Hand over, current board is: Qc 3s 7c Js 10d

! Ben Irving has: Qh 10h
! Shnizizal-dogg has: Qd Jc
! Heyelander has: Jh Jd

Pot 2: Heyelander wins $258700 with Three of a Kind (J J J Q 10)
Pot 3: Heyelander wins $32500 with Three of a Kind (J J J Q 10)

Woot! With $290800 I'm in the top 10 of 231 remaining players.

Nice to see I was in last after the flop... yeesh.

[johnnya24]

He called...
Hand over, current board is: Qc 3s 7c Js 10d

! Ben Irving has: Qh 10h
! Shnizizal-dogg has: Qd Jc
! Heyelander has: Jh Jd

Pot 2: Heyelander wins $258700 with Three of a Kind (J J J Q 10)
Pot 3: Heyelander wins $32500 with Three of a Kind (J J J Q 10)

Woot! With $290800 I'm in the top 10 of 231 remaining players.

Nice to see I was in last after the flop... yeesh.

Nice to find a fish in a big pot

EDIT: although that 1-outer helped :P

[DMT]

Wow, crazy hand, nice work.

[heyelander]

EDIT: although that 1-outer helped :P

:o

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[senorsheep]

Woot! With $290800 I'm in the top 10 of 231 remaining players.

Nice to see I was in last after the flop... yeesh.

With your luck and our brains, you could be dangerous!

[heyelander]

With your luck and our brains, you could be dangerous!

ha! I'm liking this... I like getting feedback on what I am doing, learning a lot this time through.

[baldgriff]

Early position stack 94K blinds 1600/3200. Dealt AQ off raised pot. Waiting to see what SB(big stack) and BB (same stack as me) do.