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  • #76
    Originally posted by baldgriff View Post
    Sea Dog doubles up when his dominated A7 beats AQsuited.
    Under the gun, suited A7 was good enough to make a stand (16k stack with stack envy). 32K gives me two more rounds or so...

    It was definitely nice to see the next email with "Your Cards"
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    "...That said, the hippo will always be the gold standard here" - Heyelander's VD XII avatar analysis of SeaDogStat 1-29-07
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    • #77
      Originally posted by SeaDogStat View Post
      Under the gun, suited A7 was good enough to make a stand (16k stack with stack envy). 32K gives me two more rounds or so...

      It was definitely nice to see the next email with "Your Cards"
      That's how to win tourneys ... get it in bad and suck out

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      • #78
        Originally posted by eldiablo505
        :eyerollsmiley:
        Please ... everyone who's one a big tourney has got it in bad and won at least once.

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        • #79
          Im down to just under 80k right now. Lost a large hand when I overplayed my pair of 9's against A10. Then in BB called a large raise, only to mistype my post flop call and folded a monster draw. So looking for a big hand as the large stack is basically making people choose to play for their stack if they want to come in at all.
          It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
          Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address


          "When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra

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          • #80
            game is a lot easier when you have cards. Just doubled up through no real effort of my own.

            I'm SB starting with 68825 and Ac 5s
            BB has me covered.
            Folds all around to me:
            Heyelander raises $3400
            Fryday calls
            Pot right ($17200)
            Flopped cards: 6h 3d Ad
            Heyelander bets $10000
            Fryday calls
            Pot right ($37200)
            Flopped card: Ah
            Heyelander bets $15000
            Fryday raises $60000
            huh? Am I really out-kicked here, is he pushing me with some flush draw? Does he just not believe his ****ty luck that I would have an A to start?
            Heyelander calls - side pot
            Flopped card: 8h
            Hand over, current board is: 6h 3d Ad Ah 8h
            ! Heyelander has: 5s Ac
            ! Fryday has: Kd Jc

            Heyelander | 140450 |
            Last edited by heyelander; 03-06-2012, 12:16 PM.
            I'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert...

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            • #81
              Originally posted by heyelander View Post
              game is a lot easier when you have cards. Just doubled up through no real effort of my own.

              I'm SB starting with 68825 and Ac 5s
              BB has me covered.
              Folds all around to me:
              Heyelander raises $3400
              Fryday calls
              Pot right ($17200)
              Flopped cards: 6h 3d Ad
              Heyelander bets $10000
              Fryday calls
              Pot right ($37200)
              Flopped card: Ah
              Heyelander bets $15000
              Fryday raises $60000
              huh? Am I really out-kicked here, is he pushing me with some flush draw? Does he just not believe his ****ty luck that I would have an A to start?
              Heyelander calls - side pot
              Flopped card: 8h
              Hand over, current board is: 6h 3d Ad Ah 8h
              ! Heyelander has: 5s Ac
              ! Fryday has: Kd Jc

              Heyelander | 140450 |
              As Bugs Bunny always said : "What a maroon".
              Bob- I'm not exactly sure it would ROCK as you say it Byron.. it may be cool, by typical text book descriptions. Your opinion of this is shallow and poorly constructed, but allow me to re-craft your initial thought into something tangable.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Piney Boy View Post
                As Bugs Bunny always said : "What a maroon".
                obviously I shouldn't have folded there, but should I have thought about it longer than I did? Is there any way I get myself to the thought that I'm out-kicked and fold this?

                Was my second bet too small? I figured I wanted to keep him around so bet half the pot(ish because I'm lazy).
                I'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert...

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by heyelander View Post
                  obviously I shouldn't have folded there, but should I have thought about it longer than I did? Is there any way I get myself to the thought that I'm out-kicked and fold this?

                  Was my second bet too small? I figured I wanted to keep him around so bet half the pot(ish because I'm lazy).
                  It's a strange one ... he can really only make that 60K re-raise with AK or a Full House. If he had AK he would likely have raised preflop, so you can rule that out.

                  Your second bet was fine in the sense that it induced the bluff, although it did put you in a very difficult spot.

                  I think I like the check on the turn for pot control and to feign weakness ... it wasn't a great board when it double suited, and you basically have no kicker. You can't bet big in case you are out kicked, and a small bet will not chase a draw. With a better kicker you want to protect the turn with a big bet, but your Ace was hopeless.

                  Checking the turn looks weak, and might induce a bluff on the river from a missed draw, or you might be able to squeeze a nice value bet from a weaker hand (K6, 77) ... plus you are preventing the pot from getting out of control. If you are up against a hero-caller, you can even make a weak overbet on the river if he checks it to you (if he checks the river he definitely doesn't have an Ace, so a hero-caller will read the overbet for a bluff in that spot ... after your check on the turn).

                  EDIT: sorry I thought you had position ...

                  I think I check call the turn and river and hope my kicker is good. I don't want the pot getting out of control while I'm out of position.

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                  • #84
                    You are likely only getting called by someone with a better hand and if button calls you may end up playing against 4 players as the SB will be priced in no matter what he has, which also gives the BB odds to play. Its not a great position to be in with A7off. Good luck!
                    It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
                    Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address


                    "When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by eldiablo505
                      So when you have about 10x big blind and you're in relatively early position is it smart to shove with A7 off? One of the guys at our table is on vacation so it's essentially a 9 man table. Guy on the button is huge stack, small blind is tiny stack (10k) and big blind is at about 80k. I have 36k. Blinds are 2k/3.6k.
                      I would not... Even though I had the same hand (except suited) I was half your stack, UTG and going to lose 12.5% of my stack in the next hand so it was a different situation. I would fold... (and I have been since my average start hand seems to be rags or unsuited 5-holer or more)
                      I always liked Alfonseca and he is twice the pitcher Hall of Famer Mordecai Brown was - cavebird 12-8-05
                      You'd be surprised on how much 16 months in a federal pen can motivate you - gashousegang 7-31-06
                      "...That said, the hippo will always be the gold standard here" - Heyelander's VD XII avatar analysis of SeaDogStat 1-29-07
                      It's surprising that attempts to coordinate large groups of socially retarded people would end in this kind of chaos. - Cobain's Ghost 12-19-07

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by eldiablo505
                        So when you have about 10x big blind and you're in relatively early position is it smart to shove with A7 off? One of the guys at our table is on vacation so it's essentially a 9 man table. Guy on the button is huge stack, small blind is tiny stack (10k) and big blind is at about 80k. I have 36k. Blinds are 2k/3.6k.
                        I start looking to shove when my stack gets down around (SB + BB + antes) x 5, unless the majority of the stacks at the table are ridiculously huge. You're getting close to that point, but I think you can still wait for a better spot than this. I'd rather shove in late position with Q-10 in an unraised pot than with A-7 in early position. If you get called on an A-7 shove, you're very likely dominated.
                        "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
                        "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
                        "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by eldiablo505
                          So when you have about 10x big blind and you're in relatively early position is it smart to shove with A7 off? One of the guys at our table is on vacation so it's essentially a 9 man table. Guy on the button is huge stack, small blind is tiny stack (10k) and big blind is at about 80k. I have 36k. Blinds are 2k/3.6k.
                          At a 6 handed table you can shoved A7 UTG with 10BB ... but 9/10 handed ... you are basically choosing to get your money in @ 30-35%.

                          Look for spots ... if you get an above average hand in the blinds, and someone tries to steal in position, shove all in over the top. K8, QT range will likely be good, and if not you won't be far off a race ... better than suicide shoving A7 UTG IMO.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by eldiablo505
                            Just got J 10 suited in the BB. Down to 35.6k and the blinds are 2k/3.6k.
                            Shove
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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by DMT View Post
                              Shove
                              LOL. Perhaps we should wait and see what the pre-flop action is like before doing anything rash?
                              "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
                              "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
                              "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by eldiablo505
                                So someone with about the same stack as me raised approx 2x the big blind. Sb is yet to act. Thoughts?
                                If you still have 35K and a less than 10BB stack, you should be in shove it or dump it mode. You still have fold equity if you use your stack as a weapon ...

                                If the 2X raiser is in middle or early position, it will be hard to force them off the hand with your stack ... try and play with as much fold equity as you can. A late position raise/steal might fold to a shove, and they will not likely be super strong.

                                If you are in the BB and heads up, you could call the bet and then shove on any flop ... good players will see through that play though. These days, big's aces rarely fold even if they completely miss the flop in that spot.

                                When you say 2x BB do you mean a min-raise or 2x on top of the bet?

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