Official Sexual Harrassment Thread

[B-Fly]

Yeah, that one looks very dark. They tortured those women. Sometimes something like this comes to light, like with Weinstein, and you are like, hmm, that doesn't surprise me. Something like this--she seems to have hid her darkside well.

So of course, it's worthy of being turned into a TV series...

https://themuse.jezebel.com/a-tv-series-based-on-alleged-sex-cult-nxivm-is-reported-1825552302

Starring Allison Mack and Kristen Kreuk as themselves (j/k)

[revo]

Bill Cosby found GUILTY of three counts of sexual indecent assault and faces up to 10 years in prison. Wow.

[B-Fly]

Bill Cosby found GUILTY of three counts of sexual indecent assault and faces up to 10 years in prison. Wow.

Glad they at least got him on this one, as I suspect he's guilty of far more sexual assaults/rapes. I don't know that I think 10 years is enough for drugging and raping a women (let alone probably several women).

[Bernie Brewer]

Glad they at least got him on this one, as I suspect he's guilty of far more sexual assaults/rapes. I don't know that I think 10 years is enough for drugging and raping a women (let alone probably several women).

Probably, at his age, it’s a life sentence.

[DMT]

Isn't it 10 years per count?

[ironfist]

Isn't it 10 years per count?

can be served concurrently, apparently

[Sour Masher]

can be served concurrently, apparently

I never understood that option. Anyone know why that is a thing? I can't think of cases where it would be fair/equitable to let someone serve concurrently, but I'm sure they exist, but in that case, why not just charge the person for one count of the offense?

[Hornsby]

I never understood that option. Anyone know why that is a thing? I can't think of cases where it would be fair/equitable to let someone serve concurrently, but I'm sure they exist, but in that case, why not just charge the person for one count of the offense?

I don't know that the decision will be made until sentencing, but I suspect that Bernie pretty much nailed it. The odds of a man walking out of prison in his late 80's are pretty slim, so at this point it amounts to a life sentence. It's not a lot different than the other side of the spectrum, where a person is sentenced to multiple terms of life, adding up to hundreds of years. It's impossible to serve them all, of course, but it's pretty symbolic.

[B-Fly]

I never understood that option. Anyone know why that is a thing? I can't think of cases where it would be fair/equitable to let someone serve concurrently, but I'm sure they exist, but in that case, why not just charge the person for one count of the offense?

If the charges were essentially three different ways in which the same conduct against the same woman was illegal (one usually the most aggressive crime under which the conduct can be charged, plus two "lesser" offenses which are easier to prove and were primarily charged to avoid an acquittal), then concurrent sentences make sense. If you have three counts in the trial for three distinct acts, such as if he were being charged simultaneously for the drugging and sexual assault of three different women, then the sentence would more likely be consecutive.

[Sour Masher]

If the charges were essentially three different ways in which the same conduct against the same woman was illegal (one usually the most aggressive crime under which the conduct can be charged, plus two "lesser" offenses which are easier to prove and were primarily charged to avoid an acquittal), then concurrent sentences make sense. If you have three counts in the trial for three distinct acts, such as if he were being charged simultaneously for the drugging and sexual assault of three different women, then the sentence would more likely be consecutive.

Got it. In this case, speculation suggests there will be concurrent sentencing despite separate crimes, based on Cosby's age and/or based on his other good deeds. I get that, but I also get the perspective that he got to live a great life for a very long time without having to face these crimes, so I'm okay with the symbolism of demanding consecutive sentences, even if it amounts tot he same time served (a life sentence).

[B-Fly]

Got it. In this case, speculation suggests there will be concurrent sentencing despite separate crimes, based on Cosby's age and/or based on his other good deeds. I get that, but I also get the perspective that he got to live a great life for a very long time without having to face these crimes, so I'm okay with the symbolism of demanding consecutive sentences, even if it amounts tot he same time served (a life sentence).

I'm having a hard time finding the details on line about the three counts on which he was convicted, but the stories I'm reading are only describing the case as hinging on a single event in early 2004 with one woman, not three separate crimes. I can't tell from any of the reports what distinguishes the three counts on which he was convicted.

[Judge Jude]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ne...walked-1106418

that's Tom Brokaw's long and spirited defense from being the latest accused

"It is 4:00 am on the first day of my new life as an accused predator in the universe of American journalism. I was ambushed and then perp walked across the pages of The Washington Post and Variety as an avatar of male misogyny, taken to the guillotine and stripped of any honor and achievement I had earned in more than a half century of journalism and citizenship.....

"I am facing a long list of grievances from a former colleague who left NBC News angry that she had failed in her pursuit of stardom. She has unleashed a torrent of unsubstantiated criticism and attacks on me more than twenty years after I opened the door for her and a new job at Fox news.

Linda Vester was given the run of the Washington Post and Variety to vent her grievances, to complain that I tickled her without permission (you read that right), that I invaded her hotel room, accepted an invitation to her apartment under false pretenses and in general was given a free hand to try to destroy all that I have achieved with my family, my NBC career, my writing and my citizenship."

[Sour Masher]

I find Brokaw's defense/response compelling and am initially inclined to put this in the Aziz Ansari category of a man maybe crossing some fuzzy lines, but not being s full blown harrasser (he doesn't deny the tickling, which just on its own is a little creepy and inappropriate). I'll refrain from judgement until more info does or does not come out. If Brokow was a predator with her, rather than a guy who may have said or done some poor flirting, history tells us he would have been with others as well. If that is the case, his impassioned push back will likely draw them out to respond in kind.

[Sour Masher]

Over 60 female colleagues of Brokaw's have signed a letter of support for him. This swift move to defend Brokaw is shocking to me given how deferential folks have been with such allegations, for fear of later being proven to defend a harasser. Some might say at least some of the 60 women to sign the letter are being inconsistent or hypocritical in giving him the benefit of the doubt over others. However, I find the sheer number of those willing to put themselves their to support him very compelling evidence about his character.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ra...kaw/ar-AAwrCUT

[madducks]

Over 60 female colleagues of Brokaw's have signed a letter of support for him. This swift move to defend Brokaw is shocking to me given how deferential folks have been with such allegations, for fear of later being proven to defend a harasser. Some might say at least some of the 60 women to sign the letter are being inconsistent or hypocritical in giving him the benefit of the doubt over others. However, I find the sheer number of those willing to put themselves their to support him very compelling evidence about his character.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ra...kaw/ar-AAwrCUT

But, but.....he tickled her wrist. He needs to be punished.