Would anyone be disappointed if California seceeded?

[nots]

I figured they would make a one time payment for federal land on their way out.

Need to make a one time payment for their share of federal debt as well. Be about $400B if you take 1/50 of the total, or 2.4T if you go by population %. Will that be cash or check?

[cardboardbox]

Need to make a one time payment for their share of federal debt as well. Be about $400B if you take 1/50 of the total, or 2.4T if you go by population %. Will that be cash or check?

good point.

[Fresno Bob]

since you didnt say you'd be disappointed, does this mean you support leaving?

Yep, I'd support California becoming its own country

[Fresno Bob]

Need to make a one time payment for their share of federal debt as well. Be about $400B if you take 1/50 of the total, or 2.4T if you go by population %. Will that be cash or check?

Can we pay in bitcoin?

[nots]

Can we pay in bitcoin?

Lol--that was funny.

[Hornsby]

California is actually a donor state (paying more to the Feds than they take), so I don't see this working out too well for the rest of the 49 states if California decided to secede. It's a moot point since it'll never happen...

[onejayhawk]

California is actually a donor state (paying more to the Feds than they take), so I don't see this working out too well for the rest of the 49 states if California decided to secede. It's a moot point since it'll never happen...

Maybe in a small sense. Not when you figure in the federal employee payroll, Military and its support and civilian payroll, agricultural subsidies, and so on. Then there are defense and other federal contracts. That does not touch on the value of the water released from federal lands and reservoirs, currently without payment.

J

[TranaGreg]

Maybe in a small sense. Not when you figure in the federal employee payroll, Military and its support and civilian payroll, agricultural subsidies, and so on. Then there are defense and other federal contracts. That does not touch on the value of the water released from federal lands and reservoirs, currently without payment.

J

sounds like something that could be addressed through a 20% export tax.

[onejayhawk]

sounds like something that could be addressed through a 20% export tax.

If you want to buy water across international borders to filter for drinking, fine. For agriculture, it won't work--too expensive. At penny a gallon, a million gallons is 10 grand. That will irrigate three acres of tomatoes for a week.

The upside is that the ground water will recharge.

J

[gcstomp]

"Canadians are inviting people in the United States Pacific coastal states of California, Oregon and Washington, where United States President Donald Trump lost heavily to his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton, to secede from the US and join Canada."

Of course it is ridiculous to entertain CA leaving, as it would be admitting hate has Trumped the US irrevocably. As recently as 2012, when R was in complete panic mode that they could never win Presidential election again, and released their famous autopsy report showing they had to among other things welcome latinos, the fasting growing demographic, into the fold. Not only did R win with Trump, they did it by doing the opposite of recomendations in the report, hate rhetoric, build the wall, and hispanic voters were not targeted at all.

So too, can much change in 4 years from now.

[cardboardbox]

http://thefederalist.com/2017/03/02/californians-vote-secede-union/

An independent California could finally realize their politically liberal nirvana unhindered by federal laws and policies. Freed of the U.S. Constitution, they wouldn’t be constrained by the First or Second Amendments. So they could officially ban any speech, candidate, party, or group that mentions or questions the sacred myths of immigration, diversity, climate change, criminal justice, etc. California already has the most restrictive guns laws in the country, where now you must be fingerprinted to buy ammunition. Without the Second Amendment, they could now simply outlaw private gun ownership, and then there would be no crime!

Currently, the U.S. federal government owns almost 50 percent of the land in the state. These include super-valuable real estate and facilities such as Camp Pendleton, Yosemite Park, the San Diego Naval Station, extensive national forests, etc., probably worth trillions of dollars at current value. So in exchange for gaining all this valuable property, the new country of California could agree to assume all current federal obligations for Social Security, Veterans benefits, Medicare, and other federal costs. Of course, since California opposes U.S. military policies, as a new country they would not need any military or military expenses.

California has the highest income taxes, sales taxes, and gas taxes in the country. Unconstrained by federal laws, they could really jack these up to European heights. All the European countries impose national sales taxes, sometimes called value-added taxes, of up to 24 percent at every level of sales: production, wholesale, and retail. In some European countries, income taxes start above 40 percent and go even higher. And with California’s apocalyptic environmental policies, they could increase gasoline taxes up to $5 more per gallon, ban all oil and gas production, and eliminate livestock production, because animals produce methane.

[Hodor]

http://thefederalist.com/2017/03/02/...-secede-union/

Quote some Breitbart next

[overkill94]

They could force everyone to be transgender! They could outlaw cars altogether and make everyone ride alpacas!

Gotta love that climate change is a "sacred myth"

[GwynnInTheHall]

And from the Sportsbar is actually ahead of the mainstream media files....

One bitcoin is now more valuable than an ounce of Gold.

[Fresno Bob]

Our governor has declared that if the GOP kills the ACA, California will offer its own single payer healthcare system. Realistically, we should reach out to Oregon, Washington and Hawaii and see if they want to join in with us.