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  • #16
    Originally posted by nots View Post
    Yes, I will admit that, though they haven't appeared together yet.
    You'd have to admit the DNC is slowly trying to run the clock out so Clinton can win this thing.The less people see/hear from the others, the better for her. No reason not to have more debates and it's beyond ridiculous that a vice-chair would get barred from attending for saying so.
    Oh absolutely, the DNC want's Clinton and limiting debates is one way to minimize any damage that could be done to her.

    Though I do understand having the focus on the candidates AT the debate, they can discuss the issue after it. That said, I'm sure the subject will be mentioned IN the debate by either Sanders or O'Malley.
    If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

    Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
    Martin Luther King, Jr.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by nots View Post
      You've created quite the fantasy world for yourself.
      Your words cut like Valyrian steel................
      If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

      Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
      Martin Luther King, Jr.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by onejayhawk
        Six is too many. Only two count. Even the Republicans are down to 6-7, with a couple being pretty iffy.

        J
        Six is only too many if you have nothing of substance to say.
        If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

        Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
        Martin Luther King, Jr.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View Post
          I'm thinking by Adults, he meant the candidates. You'll find asshats within both parties.

          You do have to admit, the main democratic candidates have been civil with each other to date, that might change tonight, but even if it does, you won't see the level of immaturity and flat out idiocy that we have from most of the GOPs panel.
          Six is too many. Only two count. Even the Republicans are down to 6-7, with a couple being pretty iffy.

          Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View Post
          Your words cut like Valyrian steel................
          Admitting your problem is the first step.

          J
          Ad Astra per Aspera

          Oh. In that case, never mind. - Wonderboy

          GITH fails logic 101. - bryanbutler

          Bah...OJH caught me. - Pogues

          I don't know if you guys are being willfully ignorant, but... - Judge Jude

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          • #20
            What about the chair of the DNC. Is she one of the adults?

            J
            Ad Astra per Aspera

            Oh. In that case, never mind. - Wonderboy

            GITH fails logic 101. - bryanbutler

            Bah...OJH caught me. - Pogues

            I don't know if you guys are being willfully ignorant, but... - Judge Jude

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            • #21
              What happened to the cartoons?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by nots View Post
                Yes, I will admit that, though they haven't appeared together yet.
                You'd have to admit the DNC is slowly trying to run the clock out so Clinton can win this thing.The less people see/hear from the others, the better for her. No reason not to have more debates and it's beyond ridiculous that a vice-chair would get barred from attending for saying so.
                I have seen articles indicating what you are saying. Supposedly limiting the number of debates and scheduling them at inopportune times so the audience will be limited. I'm hoping that if that is the intention it won't be effective.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
                  I have seen articles indicating what you are saying. Supposedly limiting the number of debates and scheduling them at inopportune times so the audience will be limited. I'm hoping that if that is the intention it won't be effective.

                  If this is the case, then wouldnt it seem to suggest that Hillary may not be the best candidate.........

                  Both major parties are not interested in who the best candidate is - they are interested in how much money the whole dog and pony show circus will place in their coffers.
                  It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
                  Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address


                  "When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by nots View Post
                    What happened to the cartoons?
                    When Hillary drives the clown car, no one wants to draw it.

                    Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
                    I have seen articles indicating what you are saying. Supposedly limiting the number of debates and scheduling them at inopportune times so the audience will be limited. I'm hoping that if that is the intention it won't be effective.
                    Tonight the Mets and Dodgers are playing. Just one example.

                    J
                    Ad Astra per Aspera

                    Oh. In that case, never mind. - Wonderboy

                    GITH fails logic 101. - bryanbutler

                    Bah...OJH caught me. - Pogues

                    I don't know if you guys are being willfully ignorant, but... - Judge Jude

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by onejayhawk View Post
                      Six is too many. Only two count. Even the Republicans are down to 6-7, with a couple being pretty iffy.



                      Admitting your problem is the first step.

                      J
                      Well you're wrong and unfunny, but you know...no news here.
                      If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

                      Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
                      Martin Luther King, Jr.

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                      • #26
                        There are some interesting articles about the debates in the New York Times
                        http://www.nytimes.com/live/first-de...T.nav=top-news

                        There is also another story about how to make the debates more useful -with many people weighing in
                        Last edited by swampdragon; 10-13-2015, 05:30 PM.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by nots View Post
                          Yes, I will admit that, though they haven't appeared together yet.
                          You'd have to admit the DNC is slowly trying to run the clock out so Clinton can win this thing.The less people see/hear from the others, the better for her. No reason not to have more debates and it's beyond ridiculous that a vice-chair would get barred from attending for saying so.
                          The problem with this supposition is that HRC is an excellent debater, seeing her in a platform like this against a somewhat inexperienced Sanders is nothing but good for her. It all depends on how she handles the audience, which may be pro Bernie, and bernie has to hold on to his temper and not fly off the handle, as he's prone to do. Barring the vice chair is such an "ehhhh" thing that nobody really cares about.

                          But I agree that the bottom line is that anything more than about 4-5 debates in such a limited field is overkill, nothing more can be said or learned after that point.
                          "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
                          - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)

                          "Your shitty future continues to offend me."
                          -Warren Ellis

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Hornsby View Post
                            The problem with this supposition is that HRC is an excellent debater, seeing her in a platform like this against a somewhat inexperienced Sanders is nothing but good for her. It all depends on how she handles the audience, which may be pro Bernie, and bernie has to hold on to his temper and not fly off the handle, as he's prone to do. Barring the vice chair is such an "ehhhh" thing that nobody really cares about.

                            But I agree that the bottom line is that anything more than about 4-5 debates in such a limited field is overkill, nothing more can be said or learned after that point.
                            Maybe she will explain why she's now against the TPP agreement she helped to craft though I am certainly glad she is against that horrible agreent.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by nots View Post
                              Maybe she will explain why she's now against the TPP agreement she helped to craft though I am certainly glad she is against that horrible agreent.
                              See, here's the thing, I never mind when people evolve to a better position on something. Some people call it-flip-flopping, and I think that's totally wrong...hell, if I stayed with every position I once had on thousands of issues I'd be a pretty poor excuse for a human being. That's one of the big issues with the new GOP, they demand litmus tests, and they don't EVER want their candidates to change their minds. Hell, Paul Ryan is now considered a moderate, damn near a liberal amongst the Tea partiers...perhaps he's just evolving over time, with experience.
                              "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
                              - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)

                              "Your shitty future continues to offend me."
                              -Warren Ellis

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                              • #30
                                Meh..seems a little convenient to switch positions on an agreement you wrote because the guy on your left is surging in the polls. Maybe if she hadn't called it the 'gold standard ' of agreements.....maybe if she hadn't defended it 45 times I could swallow her suddenly becoming enlightened on the subject.
                                Again for the record.....I am glad she is currently against it and hope this remains her position throughout the campaign because it is a horrible agreement.

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