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If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Originally posted by Teenwolf View PostIf the US hadn't pushed for Ukraine to join NATO, Putin wouldn't have been given the green light to invade. So we should accept that we bluffed, and we got taken.
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Originally posted by ironfist View PostNonsense. Ukraine and Georgia wanted to be in NATO for the very reason we are seeing today. It's why they signed the Budapest agreement when they gave up their nukes, which supposed obliged the US, UK, and Russia to respect their territorial integrity. Ukraine was never going to join NATO. It's an excuse and one of Putin's talking points to justify this action. These countries aren't being pushed into NATO, they are running, pleading for help from their abusive ex.Larry David was once being heckled, long before any success. Heckler says "I'm taking my dog over to fuck your mother, weekly." Larry responds "I hate to tell you this, but your dog isn't liking it."
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Here's a thought..why don't we aquiesse everytime a totalitarian dictator tells us what we should or should not do, that way they have NO justification (valid or not) to use when they go ahead and do what they want anyway!!
Fuckin' Brilliant!If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Turns out the Ukranian leader who Trump tried to blackmail is quite a badass. When asked if he wanted to be airlifted out of danger, Zelenskiy responded, "I need ammunition, not a ride."
Fuck yeah. The whole world, with the exception of Russia and the American political right wing, is with you!More American children die by gunfire in a year than on-duty police officers and active duty military.
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Originally posted by Bene Futuis View PostTurns out the Ukranian leader who Trump tried to blackmail is quite a badass. When asked if he wanted to be airlifted out of danger, Zelenskiy responded, "I need ammunition, not a ride."
Fuck yeah. The whole world, with the exception of Russia and the American political right wing, is with you!
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Originally posted by revo View PostPoland and Sweden both have refused to play Russia in the World Cup qualifiers, and they both expect FIFA to make a statement soon.
Good, this is how you freeze them out. Keep it going.
Then again, such men seldom realize how history will remember them, convinced that the means they used to get to the end will be forgotten once everyone accepts the rightness of the end. And I fear Putin really believes if he can take back Ukraine, or at least expand and solidify the Russian sphere of influence to the former USSR borders, he will be celebrated by all of Russia well past his death. It is possible he is not wrong, sadly, but it is good to see the internal protests. I hope they continue, but the risk is Putin will silence them. Unlike Trump, who could only dream about taking journalists and dissidents in the night and making them disappear, Putin has the unchecked power to continue to do that.
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostDespite state controlled media and heavy internal spin, it is heartening to see some Russians understand what their country is doing is wrong and having the courage to speak out about it. I'm afraid that won't be enough to stop what has already happened, and the plans already in place by Putin for Ukraine. But maybe it will give pause for future plans and further acts of aggression, realizing further acts could mean internal strife and not just international sanctions. Putin will not only be villainized internationally, but I hope he will have an ever-growing sense that his vision of Russia is not shared by many of his people, and not only the history books of the rest of the world, but the ones written by future Russians may mark him down for who he really is, and not who he wants Russia to remember him as.
Then again, such men seldom realize how history will remember them, convinced that the means they used to get to the end will be forgotten once everyone accepts the rightness of the end. And I fear Putin really believes if he can take back Ukraine, or at least expand and solidify the Russian sphere of influence to the former USSR borders, he will be celebrated by all of Russia well past his death. It is possible he is not wrong, sadly, but it is good to see the internal protests. I hope they continue, but the risk is Putin will silence them. Unlike Trump, who could only dream about taking journalists and dissidents in the night and making them disappear, Putin has the unchecked power to continue to do that.---------------------------------------------
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Read an interesting piece this morning on how this is setting the precedent for the next 20-30 years. No doubt China is watching closely what the west's response is relative to Taiwan; obviously Putin already has plans beyond Ukraine; and there will likely be others (Korea?). At some point, and it may be sooner than we think, the west will need to do more than sanctions if we want any kind of world stability.It certainly feels that way. But I'm distrustful of that feeling and am curious about evidence.
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I thought this UN speech from the Kenya ambassador was outstanding..
My hope is that this damages the unwavering support for the US military industrial complex by lifting the veil. The US has nothing to stand on, they support 73% of the world's dictatorships, they create and support coups, they support genocides and hunger crises and use barbaric practices, torture, drones that kill 20x as many human casualties as targets, all after starting wars on false pretenses (WMDs sure sound like the same excuse as NATO expansion), etc. We need a giant mirror in the west. I hope this invasion provides the perspective we need.Larry David was once being heckled, long before any success. Heckler says "I'm taking my dog over to fuck your mother, weekly." Larry responds "I hate to tell you this, but your dog isn't liking it."
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostDespite state controlled media and heavy internal spin, it is heartening to see some Russians understand what their country is doing is wrong and having the courage to speak out about it. I'm afraid that won't be enough to stop what has already happened, and the plans already in place by Putin for Ukraine. But maybe it will give pause for future plans and further acts of aggression, realizing further acts could mean internal strife and not just international sanctions. Putin will not only be villainized internationally, but I hope he will have an ever-growing sense that his vision of Russia is not shared by many of his people, and not only the history books of the rest of the world, but the ones written by future Russians may mark him down for who he really is, and not who he wants Russia to remember him as.
Then again, such men seldom realize how history will remember them, convinced that the means they used to get to the end will be forgotten once everyone accepts the rightness of the end. And I fear Putin really believes if he can take back Ukraine, or at least expand and solidify the Russian sphere of influence to the former USSR borders, he will be celebrated by all of Russia well past his death. It is possible he is not wrong, sadly, but it is good to see the internal protests. I hope they continue, but the risk is Putin will silence them. Unlike Trump, who could only dream about taking journalists and dissidents in the night and making them disappear, Putin has the unchecked power to continue to do that.
Maybe it is time that the Russian People stand arm in arm with the Ukranians and overturn Putin. Maybe the world will help with getting President Zelenskyy the weapons and supplies he needs.
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Originally posted by revo View PostPoland and Sweden both have refused to play Russia in the World Cup qualifiers, and they both expect FIFA to make a statement soon.
Good, this is how you freeze them out. Keep it going.
BP just announced it is unloading its 20% stake in Russian oil company Rosneft.
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